Technically...walking out would be him walking onto the street...since the sidewalk IS part of the street. So, in a way it isn't godmodding.
But on the other hand, now that I've reread everything again...it seems I misread a bit.
Was the original character intending to stop outside? Or was he/she intending to continue on?
The implications of said character is important. It can also be misinterpreted as well, so if it isn't clearly implied, then it could be taken that the character was going to walk down the street.
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Re: action in RP issue.. godmod or not? ( )
by LitomoSilver on Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:26 pm
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Re: action in RP issue.. godmod or not? ( )
by aeleon on Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:54 pm
Without knowing the scene too much, I'd say they were having a conversation, and the person RP'ing the disputed bit did so in order to facilitate the ability for the other character to stop him in his tracks, if need be. You know, those poignant moments in movies where the person being left says "But wait," and the person leaving says something dramatic and striking before leaving. Only the person being left had nothing more to say.
My suggestion would be to intensify the drama. Have the person responding to the quote permeate the silence instead of move the moment on him/herself. Accentuate the fact that he/she had nothing to say to him, either by going on about his/her business, or staring straight at the man's back as he moves to leave.
See? THat way it's a compromise, if the way I laid it out is correct.
My suggestion would be to intensify the drama. Have the person responding to the quote permeate the silence instead of move the moment on him/herself. Accentuate the fact that he/she had nothing to say to him, either by going on about his/her business, or staring straight at the man's back as he moves to leave.
See? THat way it's a compromise, if the way I laid it out is correct.
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Re: action in RP issue.. godmod or not? ( )
by Walter Barrecks on Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:35 pm
Well, being Was myself, would have been nice to know this debt was happening.
Saladin, your words implied you were going outside. People adapted to your part of the story, as did I. If you want to say he never left, write that....say he stopped before walking out the door. Like.....
-He lost himself in thought about the bounties that were rumored to have been posted for Jedi. He stopped where he stood, forgeting he was in the doorway of a bar.-
I always say pay attention to those you rp with an the surroundings of the rp. Saying you're heading for the streets implies you're leaving to most.
Saladin, your words implied you were going outside. People adapted to your part of the story, as did I. If you want to say he never left, write that....say he stopped before walking out the door. Like.....
-He lost himself in thought about the bounties that were rumored to have been posted for Jedi. He stopped where he stood, forgeting he was in the doorway of a bar.-
I always say pay attention to those you rp with an the surroundings of the rp. Saying you're heading for the streets implies you're leaving to most.
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Re: action in RP issue.. godmod or not? ( )
by Zhelir Darkfall on Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:18 pm
The issue is more with the fact that it was assumed that he continued down the street so that the RP could continue, not that he walked out the bar.
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Re: action in RP issue.. godmod or not? ( )
by Walter Barrecks on Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:26 pm
True, however, never would have been assumed had he explained he wasn't leaving.
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Re: action in RP issue.. godmod or not? ( )
by Remæus on Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:08 pm
The safe way to handle this circumstance would have been to recognize that the character was no longer in the scene, and therefore not do anything at all in relation to their character.
For the reference, Lantis is partially correct.
Godmodding is a term used for fighting - the origins of the word are ambiguous, but it is safe to say that the word can be synonymous with the "god mode" concept in a battle. You can not act like a god in a fight - ignoring damage, dodging attacks with no regard to the characters' abilities.
Metagaming is used to describe the use of out-of-character (OOC) knowledge gained by the player that is used in character without an in-game reason. Metagaming is acceptable in some circumstances, but is generally frowned upon.
The action performed by the players in question has a term that eludes me at the moment, but it is likely akin to puppeteering - taking control of another character without their permission. This too is acceptable in some cases, particularly those in which the scope of the actions are negligible.
In this circumstance, the correct progression of actions should have been as follows:
I hope that clears things up a bit. ^_^
For the reference, Lantis is partially correct.
Godmodding is a term used for fighting - the origins of the word are ambiguous, but it is safe to say that the word can be synonymous with the "god mode" concept in a battle. You can not act like a god in a fight - ignoring damage, dodging attacks with no regard to the characters' abilities.
Metagaming is used to describe the use of out-of-character (OOC) knowledge gained by the player that is used in character without an in-game reason. Metagaming is acceptable in some circumstances, but is generally frowned upon.
The action performed by the players in question has a term that eludes me at the moment, but it is likely akin to puppeteering - taking control of another character without their permission. This too is acceptable in some cases, particularly those in which the scope of the actions are negligible.
In this circumstance, the correct progression of actions should have been as follows:
Offended Player wrote:Hey! Don't take control of my character like that!
Responsible Party wrote:Oh, I'm so sorry! I'll go back and fix that.
I hope that clears things up a bit. ^_^
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Re: action in RP issue.. godmod or not? ( )
by Eymber on Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:24 am
It would be nice that it were so easy.
Instead, the person who was offended by being puppetted..... well, they killed their character off in the RP so the issue is settled.
Instead, the person who was offended by being puppetted..... well, they killed their character off in the RP so the issue is settled.
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Re: action in RP issue.. godmod or not? ( )
by MetusOccultus on Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:16 am
aeleon wrote:Without knowing the scene too much, I'd say they were having a conversation, and the person RP'ing the disputed bit did so in order to facilitate the ability for the other character to stop him in his tracks, if need be. You know, those poignant moments in movies where the person being left says "But wait," and the person leaving says something dramatic and striking before leaving. Only the person being left had nothing more to say.
My suggestion would be to intensify the drama. Have the person responding to the quote permeate the silence instead of move the moment on him/herself. Accentuate the fact that he/she had nothing to say to him, either by going on about his/her business, or staring straight at the man's back as he moves to leave.
See? THat way it's a compromise, if the way I laid it out is correct.
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With this I would like to point out that you coulld always start your post before you were "god mode-ed" "puppeteer-rd" "etc"-ed. Examine. (im going to be cool now
)Puppeteer wrote: Nodding in response to John Doe's actions, Jane Doe take him by his hand, and the two exit the bar. Continuing their conversation the two begin to make their way down the street.
in response
Puppet wrote: After Jane Doe nodded to John she took his hand and headed for the door. Right before exiting John Doe stops, scans the bar over one last time, and waves goodbye. Jane Doe tugged on John Doe's hand to hurry him alone. After exiting the building they continued to converse and walk down the street. After passing a dog taking a leak on a fire hydrant....
Something like that. Take your original post and continue on with it, using the response to add to your post, this in-turn would solve said problem.
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Re: action in RP issue.. godmod or not? ( )
by aeleon on Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:13 am
*fixes her hair and giggles.* No, I don't really understand your set-up to be honest, Wolf.
I would have considered it making my character move when I didn't want to, even if my second intention was to move him out of the bar anyway. I mean, what if I wanted to stop there in silence for awhile? What if I was, as I said before, leaving it open for the other person to try and stop me? I don't know the nature of the conversation or the characters, but I, when I RP, would rather be wordy than make one move on a character that isn't mine.
It's hard, though, for the quoted RP'er to let the other know that he's leaving the guy room for last words without breaking character, especially if his character is a badass or something, you know? I guess if I felt like I wasn't being clear, I'd make an OOC remark like, (In case you want to say anything dramatic before he leaves), or (I'm not leaving quite yet.)
I would have considered it making my character move when I didn't want to, even if my second intention was to move him out of the bar anyway. I mean, what if I wanted to stop there in silence for awhile? What if I was, as I said before, leaving it open for the other person to try and stop me? I don't know the nature of the conversation or the characters, but I, when I RP, would rather be wordy than make one move on a character that isn't mine.
It's hard, though, for the quoted RP'er to let the other know that he's leaving the guy room for last words without breaking character, especially if his character is a badass or something, you know? I guess if I felt like I wasn't being clear, I'd make an OOC remark like, (In case you want to say anything dramatic before he leaves), or (I'm not leaving quite yet.)
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Re: action in RP issue.. godmod or not? ( )
by Smokescreen on Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:14 am
Well anyway one slices it godmoding is lame and only little doll playing choads do it. However just continuing an action that another player said they were doing is…idk…being descriptive. If I went and said, “Tony the cereal eating tiger loves cereal and thinks that it is great. He eats cereal all the time.” In addition, some guy says “I ate a sandwich whilst Tony ate cereal.” I would not be like OMG NOES YOU CAN’T HAVE MY GUY EATING CEREAL CUZ I DID NOT SAY HE WAS THEN!!!!
Sweet crackers people. Now maybe if people went all loopy and started describing things like Ottomans riding dinosaurs and strafing runs by zeppelins more than likely I would be pissed if they had Tony mindlessly chomping on cereal as this was going on. Because Tony doesn’t take shit, he’d be out like the trash on a Thursday. I’m sure someone is being a baby and/or nazi and if he or she is not well…it’s almost Christmas so you got that going for you.
Sweet crackers people. Now maybe if people went all loopy and started describing things like Ottomans riding dinosaurs and strafing runs by zeppelins more than likely I would be pissed if they had Tony mindlessly chomping on cereal as this was going on. Because Tony doesn’t take shit, he’d be out like the trash on a Thursday. I’m sure someone is being a baby and/or nazi and if he or she is not well…it’s almost Christmas so you got that going for you.
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Re: action in RP issue.. godmod or not? ( )
by Angel_Melfina on Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:52 am
I agree with Eric and Metus. If they had a problem, they should just state that they didn't like what happened and try to reason with people rather than freaking out, like Eric said.
Or, they don't even have to say anything OOC and do what Metus suggested, and just add on to what the person said about them.
I may be stupid. I don't even know who we're talking about here, I just know the situation. I am not a pro by any means, but some RPers need to learn to chill out sometimes, and just take things with a grain of salt. I cannot fathom why anyone would freak out about such a silly thing before trying to address it calmy. Maybe I'm being naive.
When people fuss about stupid little things like that, it can throw the whole RPG off, and any RPer knows that. It totally ruins the mood. If someone has such a problem with it, they need to address it away from the thread. I encountered something like this recently, and it totally messed things up for a whole page.
Or, they don't even have to say anything OOC and do what Metus suggested, and just add on to what the person said about them.
I may be stupid. I don't even know who we're talking about here, I just know the situation. I am not a pro by any means, but some RPers need to learn to chill out sometimes, and just take things with a grain of salt. I cannot fathom why anyone would freak out about such a silly thing before trying to address it calmy. Maybe I'm being naive.
When people fuss about stupid little things like that, it can throw the whole RPG off, and any RPer knows that. It totally ruins the mood. If someone has such a problem with it, they need to address it away from the thread. I encountered something like this recently, and it totally messed things up for a whole page.
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Re: action in RP issue.. godmod or not? ( )
by MetusOccultus on Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:53 am
aeleon wrote:*fixes her hair and giggles.* No, I don't really understand your set-up to be honest, Wolf.
I would have considered it making my character move when I didn't want to, even if my second intention was to move him out of the bar anyway. I mean, what if I wanted to stop there in silence for awhile? What if I was, as I said before, leaving it open for the other person to try and stop me? I don't know the nature of the conversation or the characters, but I, when I RP, would rather be wordy than make one move on a character that isn't mine.
It's hard, though, for the quoted RP'er to let the other know that he's leaving the guy room for last words without breaking character, especially if his character is a badass or something, you know? I guess if I felt like I wasn't being clear, I'd make an OOC remark like, (In case you want to say anything dramatic before he leaves), or (I'm not leaving quite yet.)
What I wrote was just an example. What im saying is: If someone "puppets/god modes" you character that you take the action and make it yours in the next post. Someone says you move down the street and you don't want to yet? Well write what you're going to do before you move, write that you move, and then continue with the actions at hand.
Better?
Heh...heheheh. You said Choads.Smokescreen wrote:Well anyway one slices it godmoding is lame and only little doll playing choads do it.
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Re: action in RP issue.. godmod or not? ( )
by aeleon on Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:15 am
Yeah. I think RP'ers need to remember that not everyone's going to interpret everything one writes the same way the writer does, and they either need to be able to give and take corrections, or roll with the punches. I wouldn't mind if someone told me "Oh, you misinterpreted that, I was doing this" in a PM or at the end of a post in OOC, but to storm off because like 3 steps that were practically inevitable weren't in his control? I think that's OD (over-dose. ).
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Re: action in RP issue.. godmod or not? ( )
by LitomoSilver on Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:11 pm
It's done. It's over with.
Just let the RPer that took control of your character even if it's just for a moment, know that you don't want that to happen again, ever.
And also add to the beginning of your post that you don't want others to take control unless given permission.
That would take care of the problem nicely. >_>...<_<...
Just let the RPer that took control of your character even if it's just for a moment, know that you don't want that to happen again, ever.
And also add to the beginning of your post that you don't want others to take control unless given permission.
That would take care of the problem nicely. >_>...<_<...
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Re: action in RP issue.. godmod or not? ( )
by Lantis on Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:45 am
I think the correct term would be bunnying.
Was pretty tired that night and in a fairly contrary mood.
As for being a nazi... if I was a nazi *mumbles something about sending certain people to ovens.*
It just leads to lazy and sloppy rping.. such as justifying power gaming - because you could. Justifying god moding - because you could but it would make you look like a dolt. Not sure how you'd justify metagaming but some people do it anyway because they don't know better. Likewise you can justify bunnying but at the same time if someone doesn't want their character to be messed with it's bound to peeve them. This is especially so when you're rping with people you don't know or don't have a long rp history with because they wont trust you to play their character.
The right thing to do would be to say "hey don't do that to my character without my permission" and the other guy(s) apologise and then just move on.
Was pretty tired that night and in a fairly contrary mood.
As for being a nazi... if I was a nazi *mumbles something about sending certain people to ovens.*
It just leads to lazy and sloppy rping.. such as justifying power gaming - because you could. Justifying god moding - because you could but it would make you look like a dolt. Not sure how you'd justify metagaming but some people do it anyway because they don't know better. Likewise you can justify bunnying but at the same time if someone doesn't want their character to be messed with it's bound to peeve them. This is especially so when you're rping with people you don't know or don't have a long rp history with because they wont trust you to play their character.
The right thing to do would be to say "hey don't do that to my character without my permission" and the other guy(s) apologise and then just move on.
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Re: action in RP issue.. godmod or not? ( )
by Alexanderbecan on Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:12 am
Well on the topic of the fisrt post assuming he walked to the steer is acceptable but addvancing him down any firther is not so if you had set up and ambush at the door you could assume he came into view and you could attack him but if you addvance him down the street and get him down a back alie thats player progression and you have no clue what he would have done if he had said it him self.
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Re: action in RP issue.. godmod or not? ( )
by Pidge on Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:00 pm
Depends really on if its an open or closed style posting... If its open then no its not a god mode, if it is closed then you are bordering on an action that would be considered invalid.
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Re: action in RP issue.. godmod or not? ( )
by Vexar on Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:27 pm
It's simple. You in no way, ever, take control of another player's character. A better thing to do would be.
He attempted to end his conversation with (Character that was being controlled), in the hopes of sending him back to the murky streets outside the bar.
He attempted to end his conversation with (Character that was being controlled), in the hopes of sending him back to the murky streets outside the bar.
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