Im going to keep this nice, short, and simple:

We Honor the Dead, we unite under one flag, we stay strong and power through, and we live on. One Terrorist leaders death does not equal the amount of civilian lives lost. No, in order for it to be equal, terror itself must be taken down, for them to rest in peace. That is what i believe, and that is what i stand for. Shout me down, tell me im wrong, or even try to use my words against me, but i stand by my words. This is not over until terror is no longer used as a weapon, and the people who use it are defeated. And only with Unity shall we prevail.

Thank you for reading this, that is all.

War in itself is a weapon of terror. For there to be no more terror there has to be no more war. To have a war on terror is ironic.

Az, you make sense. I fully admit now (and in the post) my points were not researched, I was simply speaking from what I knew off the top of my head. You clearly have a greater knowledge of this than I do and I agree with a lot of what you're saying, although I can't quite have as much of a positive outlook on this as you do. There's still something in me that suggests this could have been a colossal mistake, despite how much of a victory it may seem like.

There's still something in me that suggests this could have been a colossal mistake, despite how much of a victory it may seem like.

That's because there is still a large possibility that it can turn into one. With Al-Qaeda out of it's prophet, the global powers have pinned extremism and terrorism into a corner that it would never have thought it would see. The terrorist networks thought that once attacking America, the rest of the globe would join together to banish the vile existence this nation and others have embraced; this is obviously the opposite, but there is still much of the hill to traverse. It will take more operations like this, and more dead or captured of the Al-Qaeda network before we can put the guns down and say "We're done here". Truth be told, as militaristic as I am, the conflict and warfare of the past nine years still shocked and appalled me, not because we didn't kill the right people, but because the entire world reached a brink where we could have plummeted into an era of brutality and violence. We're still downhill, make no doubt about it, and Osama's death can quickly become a disadvantage if we as a people do not respond to it properly.

War in itself is a weapon of terror. For there to be no more terror there has to be no more war. To have a war on terror is ironic.

They show no sign of putting down their guns, so I see no necessity why we should put ours down. The moment we disarm ourselves without any indication of our opponents doing otherwise, we confine ourselves to the history books as the fools that tried for peace against an enemy that desired none.

We Honor the Dead, we unite under one flag, we stay strong and power through, and we live on. One Terrorist leaders death does not equal the amount of civilian lives lost. No, in order for it to be equal, terror itself must be taken down, for them to rest in peace. That is what i believe, and that is what i stand for. Shout me down, tell me im wrong, or even try to use my words against me, but i stand by my words. This is not over until terror is no longer used as a weapon, and the people who use it are defeated. And only with Unity shall we prevail.

Yes, America has committed crimes in the War on Terror, yes, we have failed to maintain that perfection we've striven so greatly to achieve, but that does not mean we should ever falter. Terrus only reinforces the conviction that we are on the verge of a total reversal of the conflict -- the US, and people all around the globe, are preparing themselves to address the fact that we are on the precipice of history, and it is in these coming decades that humanity will decide if we rise to our vision of a unified, aligned planet or divulge into the slaughter and dissent that marred the last century.

[quote='Az']if we as a people[/quote]

I sense a little quoting there.

Just had to point that out.


Anyways, you make good points Az. I completely agree this isnt over yet. Its a start, but one mans death is not going to end this.

Although, it does help, especially since now they have to find out who will be leader, and find the people qualified to pick from. So this would give them some pause. But it isnt over. Not by a longshot.

"Only with honor, strength, and courage shall we prevail through this troubled time. We must unite with one voice, one flag,and show to our enemies that we will not back down, that we will not go silently into the night. No, we shall be strong. And Brave. And True to our hearts! Because otherwise, there isnt anything to fight for...."

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/90047371?President%20Obama%20authorizes%20%26%23147%3Bnot%26%23148%3B%20to%20release%20Osama%20photos%2C%20heads%20to%20NYC%20Ground%20Zero

Obama is starting to prove my point, that the US does not, in fact, have any evidence that they have killed the real Osama Bin Laden. Yes, there are pictures circulating the net already, and I've seen several. However, most of the pictures' faces are blurred to the point that one cannot make out the facial features. Its sad, really, to say that you have one thing, but ultimately showing the world that you do not have any evidence.

Macabre Legion wrote:http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/90047371?President%20Obama%20authorizes%20%26%23147%3Bnot%26%23148%3B%20to%20release%20Osama%20photos%2C%20heads%20to%20NYC%20Ground%20Zero

Obama is starting to prove my point, that the US does not, in fact, have any evidence that they have killed the real Osama Bin Laden. Yes, there are pictures circulating the net already, and I've seen several. However, most of the pictures' faces are blurred to the point that one cannot make out the facial features. Its sad, really, to say that you have one thing, but ultimately showing the world that you do not have any evidence.

What kind of evidence would it take for you to believe that the US murdered Osama Bin Laden?

Fallacy wrote:

Macabre Legion wrote:http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/90047371?President%20Obama%20authorizes%20%26%23147%3Bnot%26%23148%3B%20to%20release%20Osama%20photos%2C%20heads%20to%20NYC%20Ground%20Zero

Obama is starting to prove my point, that the US does not, in fact, have any evidence that they have killed the real Osama Bin Laden. Yes, there are pictures circulating the net already, and I've seen several. However, most of the pictures' faces are blurred to the point that one cannot make out the facial features. Its sad, really, to say that you have one thing, but ultimately showing the world that you do not have any evidence.

What kind of evidence would it take for you to believe that the US murdered Osama Bin Laden?

Visual evidence that shows Bin Laden residing at a Pakistan manor, the US soldiers storming said manor, as well as the pictures Obama had promised the nation showing that Osama Bin Laden is actually dead. Until this happens, I shall remain, among many, unconvinced that Bin Laden is dead.

I'd just like to bring http://www.slate.com/id/2293111/ to the table. It's a very recent article, and I think it's worth considering.
In the comments, we have some liberals arguing that it's wrong to have only shot and disabled like 2/3 of the women they encountered rather than kill, and killed all the men they encountered.

To sum up the situation, the seals risked their own safety to attempt to not kill the women in the house by assuming they were not suicide bombers.

Macabre Legion wrote:Visual evidence that shows Bin Laden residing at a Pakistan manor, the US soldiers storming said manor, as well as the pictures Obama had promised the nation showing that Osama Bin Laden is actually dead. Until this happens, I shall remain, among many, unconvinced that Bin Laden is dead.

So, you'd trust that the pictures weren't forgeries?

Visual evidence that shows Bin Laden residing at a Pakistan manor, the US soldiers storming said manor, as well as the pictures Obama had promised the nation showing that Osama Bin Laden is actually dead. Until this happens, I shall remain, among many, unconvinced that Bin Laden is dead.

So, just to get this straight ... You want a Call of Duty killcam for Osama bin Laden's match-winning headshot?

Unlike a videogame, there are aspects of combat that won't ever get the chance to be seen or distributed to the public, or even the local military. Warfare is hectic, unregulated and absolutely consuming, there can't be documentation of every single step at every single moment; that's reality, the skepticism at this point will just simply transcend all logic to a new degree of startling assumptions. Just because the US government hasn't released the photographs yet, doesn't mean you can't look for it on somewhere say, Google? I Google'd that shit a day after I heard it; I'm certainly skeptical that they might not be actual photographs of his death, but I'm still decently-minded enough to understand that the man is dead.

So, you'd trust that the pictures weren't forgeries?

Nope. I'd question it, then have someone figure out if its a forgery or not.

So, just to get this straight ... You want a Call of Duty killcam for Osama bin Laden's match-winning headshot?

Unlike a videogame, there are aspects of combat that won't ever get the chance to be seen or distributed to the public, or even the local military. Warfare is hectic, unregulated and absolutely consuming, there can't be documentation of every single step at every single moment; that's reality, the skepticism at this point will just simply transcend all logic to a new degree of startling assumptions. Just because the US government hasn't released the photographs yet, doesn't mean you can't look for it on somewhere say, Google? I Google'd that shit a day after I heard it; I'm certainly skeptical that they might not be actual photographs of his death, but I'm still decently-minded enough to understand that the man is dead.

I'm a born skeptic, and question everything. I follow facts and science, not belief and 'faith'. If someone is saying that Osama Bin Laden is dead, well, that's all well and good, but wheres the evidence to back this up as fact? We got pictures, videos, etc floating around on the web, but nothing substantial enough to satisfy everyone equally. If ya'll want to go on believing that he is dead, then go right ahead. Bare in mind, though, believing in the US saying that he is dead is like believing in the Spaghetti Monster and his 'Noodly Goodness'. There's no evidence being shown to the world so that we may take it apart and actually analyze it to finally come out and say, "Yes, he is dead." All that we can say, as of right now, is, "Where is the evidence that was promised to me?"

No evidence, no photos, no body. Nothing to show the world that he is dead. Might as well call him 'God', there's no evidence for either.

Al Qaeda confirmed that bin Ladin is dead on Friday, which reinforces the point I had made in my post on the first page in response to Macabre Legion. They have, naturally, promised revenge, and called bin Ladin's killing "a curse on Americans and American agents." Very lovely of them, I see.

Ylanne wrote:Al Qaeda confirmed that bin Ladin is dead on Friday, which reinforces the point I had made in my post on the first page in response to Macabre Legion. They have, naturally, promised revenge, and called bin Ladin's killing "a curse on Americans and American agents." Very lovely of them, I see.

Even so, Ylanne, without a body to be shown to the world, no one can say that he is dead. When one is produced, and we all get a very good look at it, then I might, might, come out and say that I was wrong and the whole lot of you were right.

Until then, no body, no pictures, no videos, and no additional evidence? Good luck trying to convince me and the rest of the world.

Even so, Ylanne, without a body to be shown to the world, no one can say that he is dead. When one is produced, and we all get a very good look at it, then I might, might, come out and say that I was wrong and the whole lot of you were right.

Until then, no body, no pictures, no videos, and no additional evidence? Good luck trying to convince me and the rest of the world.

Your skepticism doesn't change the reality of whether he is dead or not, and it goes without a doubt that Al-Qaeda saying he's dead should be more than enough evidence for a skeptic basing the adverse assumption that he isn't dead on intelligence and rationality. Truth be told, you and the people that think he isn't dead are actually the minority, a large part of the world has whole-heartedly embraced the thought that Osama bin Laden is dead. I'll admit, I've addressed the fact that Al-Qaeda may have slipped us one, but I think logical, rational thought indicates that the man is dead.

AzricanRepublic wrote:

Even so, Ylanne, without a body to be shown to the world, no one can say that he is dead. When one is produced, and we all get a very good look at it, then I might, might, come out and say that I was wrong and the whole lot of you were right.

Until then, no body, no pictures, no videos, and no additional evidence? Good luck trying to convince me and the rest of the world.

Your skepticism doesn't change the reality of whether he is dead or not, and it goes without a doubt that Al-Qaeda saying he's dead should be more than enough evidence for a skeptic basing the adverse assumption that he isn't dead on intelligence and rationality. Truth be told, you and the people that think he isn't dead are actually the minority, a large part of the world has whole-heartedly embraced the thought that Osama bin Laden is dead. I'll admit, I've addressed the fact that Al-Qaeda may have slipped us one, but I think logical, rational thought indicates that the man is dead.

You may believe that he is dead, AzricanRepublic, but I have yet to see the evidence that was promised to the world. If you 'know' that he is dead, can you provide substantial evidence to prove it? And by substantial I do not mean the words of others. Provide the pictures, videos, etc that shows hes dead, and I may believe you. Don't, and good luck trying to get me to believe.

Make up a new evil person who obviously lead all of the terrorists by himself with no help from anyone else.