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Well, it seems I've lost those endearing little logs of our discussion the other night, but seeing as you were so eager to post them yourself, I'm inviting you to do so. I tell you, I'm genuinely interested to see what the public makes of it.

I'll edit this post when I get home, but I don't know if I had the logs due to me being offline all weekend.

But first, I'll just make a few comments to get this started.

1)Zhelir lacks in the ability to comprehend the most lucid of points presented to him.

2) Zhelir loves to start arguements with people, yet he claims they are the immature ones. Proof of this: It was his idea to bring the arguement to flamewars to begin with.

3)Claims that everyone around us has some hatred for me, yet is unable to prove it and even refuses to present logs at various points, (Points not included in this particular arguement, however there were many times where it did indeed happen.)

ALUCROAS, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?! ; ___ ;

I R MISS U

Wow, don't get all feminine on me and shit.

If you want to talk to me, I'll be home in about two hours.

LOL I leave in an hour and a half. I am generally only able to get on during the mornings from 6 a.m. to 2:30 p.m., though I do have the next two days off. Hope to speak to you then. =D

Oni-Link wrote:I'll edit this post when I get home, but I don't know if I had the logs due to me being offline all weekend.

But first, I'll just make a few comments to get this started.

1)Zhelir lacks in the ability to comprehend the most lucid of points presented to him.

2) Zhelir loves to start arguements with people, yet he claims they are the immature ones. Proof of this: It was his idea to bring the arguement to flamewars to begin with.

3)Claims that everyone around us has some hatred for me, yet is unable to prove it and even refuses to present logs at various points, (Points not included in this particular arguement, however there were many times where it did indeed happen.)

You know, if there was a competition on here for RPGateway's biggest arsehole, there would have to be three winners - Oni-Link, Zhelir and myself.

But, Alucroas, you know just as much that you enjoy starting a good argument just as much as Zhelir and I do. You also fail, on occasion, to see basic points, and yeah, I will admit, I have a deep hatred for you. But, don't feel too loved, I also have such a hatred for Zhelir as well.

Just as I know you hate Zhelir and I, and Zhelir hates you and I.

The purpose here, however, is to gain a public opinion on an argument that has been running ridiculously too long between the pair of you.

Much like a Referendum. ((I only wish we could have one in this country))

And anyway, we be t3h bastards, and we rule!

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On an entirely separate note, though...

Matthias, you are a true girly-boy. And no, I have no desire to be like you, despite your rather sad and pathetic delusions.

On an entirely separate note, though...

Matthias, you are a true girly-boy. An no, I have no desire to be like you, despite your rather sad and pathetic delusions.

Do not fight it! The super heroic and super cute Matthias Karma is within' you!

No, you just wish your Karma was inside me.

You sicken me, you perverse little bastard.

Lord Saladin wrote:No, you just wish your Karma was inside me.

You sicken me, you perverse little bastard.

Oohh.. Now you're taking this to a whole new level. I R PURE HEARTED AND NEVAR SPEAKS IN SUCH WAYZ TO SUGGEST SUCH A DISGUSTING SIN AS LUST! You are the perverse one here, Mr-I-Try-To-Act-Like-Matthias-But-Can't.

LOL XD !~

Matthias, you little wretch of existence, please understand that I have no desire to be like you.

My only aim is to better myself, and to become like you would UBERLY reduce my current position.

For starters, I am currently earning near on $64,000.

Of course, I could always do with a shoe shiner.

I'll pay you $10,000 to shine my shoes three times a day.

I need no such thing as money, for I live free. =[ LOL CHEESEY CHEESEY CHEESEY

ONE DAY YOU WILL LOOK BACK AT ALL THIS WHEN EVERYTHING AROUND YOU HAS TOPPLED AND SAY, "Man, wish I would've listened to Matthias and became just like him! Oh my Idol! Oh my savior!"

You only wish you were my idol.

And now, I must ask, except to be a prime example of girly-boy stupidity, what is your purpose?

I see none, save for being a little worm I can torture using a stick and a lighter. ((That is actually SOOOO much fun))

It's sad.

I suggested bringing the LOG of the argument to Flame Wars to END the debate. But alas, it seems you have, yet again, missed the point, Adrian.

It's all right, as long as you don't take too long doctoring up those logs, we'll have our answer soon enough.

Zhelir!

You are a dick!!!!!

-=Shock! Horror! Pain!=-

How long shall we argue about that statement?

But, Alucroas, you know just as much that you enjoy starting a good argument just as much as Zhelir and I do.

Yeah, I do start arguments, but how many times do I tell the other person to stop acting immature? That was the point I was attempting to address, or do I need to write an essay on how hypocrisy works?

You completely missed the point and obviously Zhelir did as well. Fine proof that you both have problems comprehending what should be extremely obvious.

I suggested bringing the LOG of the argument to Flame Wars to END the debate. But alas, it seems you have, yet again, missed the point, Adrian.

Another example of Zhelir's inability to comprehend what should be extremely obvious.



I don't know how you failed to realize that what I just said was an opening statement to get the topic moving smoothely. Since I didn't have the logs at the moment, I did the next best thing. Go shoot yourself in the face right now. Please. I know you like to hunt, so it shouldn't be that hard to find a rifle in your house.

You of all people. One who claims that I am an opinionated idiot, who makes no sense should have been able to clearly comprehend and acknowledge what I was attempting to address to you.

And for the record this isn't real life, so leave my real name out of the picture, alright? I only give my real name out to people I have absolute trust in. One of those people being a certain little fruit. I don't think I need to identify him.

If my keyboard is actually in my room when I come home today, you'll get a response with all the logs.
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Session Start: Wed Dec 05 22:51:52 2007
Session Ident: Zhelir
[10:51:52] <Zhelir> Yes, because you have never in life insulted someone in jest, much less seriously.
[10:51:55] <Zhelir> Calm down and grow up.
[10:52:24] [¤ Notice From Keiro: ¤] It was just a guess. Not assuming.
[10:52:27] <Alucroas> Sorry bud, but considering your tendencies from what I see in those flamewars topics, I should be telling you the same.
Session Close: Wed Dec 05 22:52:44 2007

Session Start: Wed Dec 05 22:52:50 2007
Session Ident: Zhelir
[10:52:50] Session Ident: Zhelir (soldierRai@SCnet-D8D32C87.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)
Session Close: Wed Dec 05 22:52:50 2007

Session Start: Wed Dec 05 22:52:50 2007
Session Ident: Zhelir
[10:52:50] <Zhelir> Lol, whatever floats your boat. I'm not the one jumping down peoples' throats for jokes.
[10:53:23] <Alucroas> Well...I'm not really tolerant of people I already don't like insulting me even as a joke.
Session Close: Wed Dec 05 22:53:29 2007

Session Start: Wed Dec 05 22:54:07 2007
Session Ident: Zhelir
[10:54:08] Session Ident: Zhelir (soldierRai@SCnet-D8D32C87.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)
Session Close: Wed Dec 05 22:54:08 2007

Session Start: Wed Dec 05 22:54:08 2007
Session Ident: Zhelir
[10:54:08] <Zhelir> As I said, whatever floats your boat. It's nothing more than you've ever done, not by a long mile, but if you need to take your frustration at losing out on me, go for it.
[10:55:09] <Alucroas> not by a long mile, eh?
[10:55:13] <Alucroas> What would that be referring to?
[10:55:58] <Alucroas> If you really feel like having me mess with you, I could do plenty more.
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[10:56:56] <Alucroas> So please, let's not gauge the damage I've done?
Session Close: Wed Dec 05 22:59:01 2007

Session Start: Wed Dec 05 23:01:17 2007
Session Ident: Zhelir
[11:01:17] Session Ident: Zhelir (soldierRai@SCnet-D8D32C87.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)
Session Close: Wed Dec 05 23:01:17 2007

Session Start: Wed Dec 05 23:01:17 2007
Session Ident: Zhelir
[11:01:17] <Zhelir> Lol, mess with me?
[11:01:22] <Zhelir> Do your worst, I encourage it.
[11:01:48] <Zhelir> The long mile is reference to the fact that last I saw, you had no problem talking shit about people either when they're around or not -- and not in jest.
[11:02:54] <Alucroas> Should I get logs of you literally flaming me into an arguement by mentioning my name three times in an obvious attempt to get crap on me?
[11:03:00] <Alucroas> I'm sure you'd remember it.
[11:03:14] <Alucroas> The one with Itachi, Ryand-Smith, Kasurin, and a few others.
[11:03:25] <Zhelir> Lmao.
[11:03:29] <Zhelir> The ones posted on GWing?
[11:03:34] <Alucroas> Yeah.
[11:03:42] <Alucroas> The ones which I also have in my channel log folders.
[11:03:47] <Zhelir> And universally agreed upon by the patrons that your claims of flaming were idiotic.
[11:03:54] <Zhelir> Yes, go for it.
[11:03:56] <Alucroas> Sadly, that wasn't entirely true.
[11:04:11] <Alucroas> Otherwise I wouldn't still have op in your own OOC room.
[11:04:22] <Alucroas> I suggest having Master remove me from the list if you don't want me going in there doing shit.
[11:04:30] <Zhelir> Wo-how.
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[11:04:38] <Zhelir> You really haven't noticed a lack of us in there?
[11:04:42] <Zhelir> That's... sad.
[11:04:48] <Alucroas> Well apparently there's seven people in there.
[11:04:55] <Zhelir> Yes, there are.
[11:04:58] <Zhelir> But, GASP.
[11:05:00] <Zhelir> We're on Surreal.
[11:05:03] <Alucroas> Not including the bot, if there is one.
[11:05:25] <Zhelir> Most of GWing is in DarkMyst, our HTTP chat, or on here in GWing and GWingOOC.
[11:05:28] <Zhelir> So, try again.
[11:05:53] <Alucroas> I tended to check that on a daily basis without going in.
[11:06:02] <Alucroas> And noticed your average usercount was around 3-5
[11:06:07] <Zhelir> o_O.
[11:06:13] <Zhelir> Then you're checking something seriously fucked up.
[11:06:14] <Alucroas> You think I don't know GWing is falling apart?
[11:06:18] <Zhelir> Unless you refer to the HTTP chat.
[11:06:35] <Alucroas> Your HTTP chat being your web-chat?
[11:06:38] <Zhelir> Which is in disuse for errors, as it is in beta. When the shoutbox returns, so will the chat.
[11:06:39] <Alucroas> Since I don't know what HTTP is.
[11:06:59] <Zhelir> As for GWing falling apart, trying looking at our stats, not the number of people in the defunct of our three chats.
[11:07:08] <Zhelir> And yes, HTTP is the webchat.
[11:07:17] <Alucroas> I do check your forum as well.
[11:07:26] <Alucroas> Which during the majority of the time is around 12 users.
[11:07:32] <Zhelir> And?
[11:07:42] <Alucroas> You're telling me to try looking at your stats.
[11:07:43] <Alucroas> So I did.
[11:07:51] <Zhelir> No, those would be arbitrary figures.
[11:07:58] <Zhelir> Our stats would be our growth ratios.
[11:08:18] <Alucroas> Well, taking the amount of users you see every day and then finding the median is also an accurate gauge.
[11:08:20] <Zhelir> We haven't had a month in a year or better where our usercount hasn't gone up.
[11:08:26] <Zhelir> No, it's not.
[11:08:34] <Zhelir> For one, you have the option to elect to remain invisible.
[11:08:44] <Zhelir> But, I suppose you'd overlook the number of people that do that.
[11:09:02] <Zhelir> But again, think what you want. GWing is far from collapse, but if it makes you feel better, go ahead and believe it's burning to the ground.
[11:09:06] <Alucroas> Of course, since I probably couldn't tell considering they re invisible.
[11:09:14] <Alucroas> And I'm not a moderator.
[11:09:20] <Alucroas> Or an admin.
[11:09:26] <Alucroas> Nice job taking into account circumstances.
[11:09:32] <Zhelir> Yes, but any half-brain should be able to realize their are invisible users.
[11:09:42] <Zhelir> So, again, I must ask you to try again.
[11:10:13] <Zhelir> I'm losing valuable Eve time here, entertaining your theories. So unless you've got some idea of genuine consequence, I'm going to be off to blow sit up.
[11:10:35] <Alucroas> That's generally you anyway, merely brushing off what people have to say.
[11:10:50] <Alucroas> Even if it does with-hold considerable points against you.
[11:11:11] <Zhelir> Lol, as I said kiddo, whatever floats your boat.
[11:11:21] <Alucroas> And any half-brain wouldn't be able to tell considering they don't know when everyone is on and at what times.
[11:11:37] <Alucroas> Thanks for proving my point by calling me 'kiddo.'
[11:11:56] <Alucroas> And by even attempting to argue with me.
[11:11:57] <Zhelir> No problem.
Session Close: Wed Dec 05 23:12:18 2007

Session Start: Wed Dec 05 23:13:54 2007
Session Ident: Zhelir
[11:14:17] <Alucroas> By the way, it's not letting me edit my signature below to put in Formerly known as Alucroas. To clear up what caused this entire mess to begin with.
[11:14:23] <Alucroas> On the GT league.
[11:15:42] <Alucroas> Nvm, works.
Session Close: Wed Dec 05 23:15:45 2007

Session Start: Wed Dec 05 23:15:52 2007
Session Ident: Zhelir
[11:15:53] Session Ident: Zhelir (soldierRai@SCnet-D8D32C87.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)
Session Close: Wed Dec 05 23:15:53 2007

Session Start: Wed Dec 05 23:15:53 2007
Session Ident: Zhelir
[11:15:53] <Zhelir> You changed your name because it wouldn't allow you to say you were formerly the same username?
[11:16:56] <Alucroas> I changed my signature because I wanted to let those who might assume I'm attempting to hide my face from some loss that I don't care about, so they won't go around assuming things.
[11:17:11] <Alucroas> Or bothering me.
Session Close: Wed Dec 05 23:17:16 2007

Session Start: Wed Dec 05 23:17:24 2007
Session Ident: Zhelir
[11:17:27] <Zhelir> And you just happened to change it within, what, half an hour of losing?
[11:17:49] <Zhelir> I honestly believed you changed it because you felt like it until you instantly went on the defensive about it without prompting. Kind of a giveaway.
[11:17:55] <Alucroas> Yeah. But obviously I'm not afraid of the "embarassment" of losing if I'm letting people know I'm Alucroas.
[11:18:05] <Alucroas> Considering I know people are like that.
[11:18:17] <Zhelir> That's because everyone knows, now.
[11:18:29] <Zhelir> But again, I've got Eve to get to, I'm sure Eric and Circ are sick of waiting by now.
[11:18:43] <Alucroas> Yeah, so go, unless you feel like sticking around.
[11:18:53] <Zhelir> Nope, setting up a playlist and I'm gone.
Session Close: Wed Dec 05 23:18:57 2007

Session Start: Wed Dec 05 23:24:02 2007
Session Ident: Zhelir
[11:24:45] <Alucroas> Oh, and for future reference. How exactly is mediation a threat again? This whole thing just is just sticking in my head right now.
[11:25:06] <Zhelir> You're referring to...?
[11:25:32] <Alucroas> The time my temporary unban from GWing was replaced due to me offending you to the point of you leaving the computer to calm down.
[11:25:40] <Alucroas> When Vffekt was acting like a dick.
[11:25:43] <Alucroas> In #OOC
[11:25:50] <Zhelir> Ahh yes.
[11:25:52] <Alucroas> And you got mad at me for "Threatening to mediate."
[11:26:03] <Alucroas> Which I still can't see how mediation can be threatening.
[11:26:19] <Zhelir> Because I realized you had resumed your disposition that you stood above everyone else, believing I needed ot be mediated in doing my job.
[11:26:46] <Zhelir> Threatened to mediate. That's doesn't make mediation a threat, that makes you threatening to mediate.
[11:26:57] <Zhelir> I sincerely hope you don't require a description of the difference.
[11:27:02] <Alucroas> So...without actually telling you to get the fuck out, orthrowing you out...
[11:27:06] <Alucroas> That's threatening to mediate?
[11:27:13] <Alucroas> Even though we're both at equal power levels?
[11:27:23] <Alucroas> we were**
[11:27:25] <Zhelir> No, you saying "Calm down, I don't want to have to mediate this" or something akin to that was a threat to mediate.
[11:27:40] <Zhelir> And we both know how stupid you can act even at equal levels. Take Itachi for reference on that.
[11:27:53] <Alucroas> "Calm down" = settle down I don't need to see flamewars spout everywhere.
[11:28:05] <Zhelir> There weren't any. I was doing my job, as I've already said.
[11:28:12] <Alucroas> "I don't to have to mediate this." I don't want to have to watch flamewars spout.
[11:28:18] <Alucroas> It's called pre-emptive action.
[11:28:53] <Zhelir> I see. Matthias may want to remember that next time you attempt to discipline someone, as apparently the attempt to do so is your definition of the starting of a flamewar.
[11:28:55] <Alucroas> Apparently me also being drawn to the situation by Eric's comments in another channel also don't count as me not having some superiority complex over you.
[11:29:16] <Zhelir> Not really?
[11:29:26] <Alucroas> Well unfortunately Matthias agreed with just about everything I had to say.
[11:30:00] <Zhelir> Yes, he also agreed with just about everything I had to say. Funny how that works. It's something I've come to terms with and gotten over, however.
[11:30:13] <Zhelir> You may wish to try that approach.
[11:30:14] <Alucroas> I still don't see how people such as Jader and Donny as well as EYmber, people who weren't even around when the events went down count as witnesses with viable proof?
[11:30:15] <Alucroas> .*
[11:30:36] <Alucroas> I talked to Matthias long-after you spoke to him.
[11:30:42] <Zhelir> Yes, I know.
[11:30:53] <Zhelir> He agreed with everything I said, you said the opposite and he agreed with that.
[11:30:55] <Alucroas> And funny how Matthias actually thought you guys were so full of yourselves to actually encourage me to go back into GWing and start flaming it up.
[11:31:03] <Zhelir> I'm sure he did.
[11:31:16] <Alucroas> Yeah he did, during the middle of the night while we were speaking about it.
[11:31:18] <Zhelir> I'm also aware you have a history of misinterpreting and/or completely making up conversations with people.
[11:31:26] <Zhelir> So you'll understand if I think you're, ah, full of shit.
[11:31:51] <Alucroas> So presenting logs which we've both seen then asking them whether or not it's valid or not is misinterpretation?
[11:32:11] <Alucroas> I guess explaining things counts as making up bullshit.
[11:32:15] <Zhelir> But with that, my playlist is finished being set up. While I'm gone, feel free to leave all the seething hate you wish, it'll provide for an amusing read when I'm done. Your time could be better spent, however, attempting to move on with your life.
[11:32:19] <Alucroas> Which is how any normal person defends themselves from scrutiny.
[11:32:41] <Alucroas> I moved on, you just chose to infuriate me.
[11:32:47] <Alucroas> And I also just happen to have a good memory.
[11:33:06] <Alucroas> So please, make all the presumptions you wish about what I do with my life.
[11:33:28] <Alucroas> Until you can prove it, stay out of my life.
[11:33:52] <Alucroas> I kept out of yours, I expect the same/.
[11:33:54] <Alucroas> .*
[11:34:19] <Alucroas> And for when you come back, let the record show that not a single insult was actually flung directly at someone.
[11:34:32] <Alucroas> Strange, how I couldn't find an actual insult thrown at a person in those logs in the mod-forum.
[11:34:55] <Alucroas> And then found evidence of logs being excluded in what was supposed to be evidence.
[11:35:33] <Alucroas> Exclusion of logs that would have undoubtedly broken your ban along with many other posts where evidence isn't even shown at all or the same is done.
[11:36:59] <Alucroas> I also thought I'd point out that not everyone agreed with the ban, but it was in fact just a select few. Eymber, Donny, Jader (People who shouldn't even count considering they haven't been here to witness a single thing.) Zhelir who most people would know of as an arrogant ass, who rest assured, I can list off countless people within GWing and outside of GWing who didn't like you.
[11:37:15] <Alucroas> SinfulSoul who apparently calls relieving stress personal assault.
[11:38:06] <Alucroas> Also SinfulSoul who posts logs of me making fun of a state I genuinely hate labeled as personal assault towards Kasurin inspite of me having the tendency in the past to diss Florida long before I even met the girl.
[11:39:03] <Alucroas> Grimbold_Theoman suggests something from well over a year ago which shouldn't even be getting brought in due to how incredibly long ago it was.
[11:40:13] <Alucroas> According to some people "Sorry if that sounded like an insult." still counts as an insult inspite of clarifying that it wasn't meant to be an insult so it shouldn't be taken as one which is in fact choosing to be ignorant.
[11:40:56] <Alucroas> The list of people who I've known generally don't like you are.
[11:42:01] <Alucroas> Trowa^Barton, Kouketsu, Lantis, Saladin (maybe don't know if he does now.) Keiro (Don't know if he does now), Guts, Stephan, Calintz.
[11:42:11] <Alucroas> I'm sure I could probably get more if I just asked.
[11:42:24] <Alucroas> And if you feel like posting all this stuff in the mod-forum go ahead.
[11:42:43] <Alucroas> I know I won't be unbanned ever but I like personal satisfaction and pissing off the people who pissed me off.
[11:43:08] <Alucroas> Without prior provocation no less.
[11:43:37] <Alucroas> I wonder why other operators in your room actually don't like to come out due to the fact that they get ignored when they do disagree with you.
[11:43:49] <Alucroas> Or the outcome of something.
[11:44:00] <Alucroas> Or rather, not you, but a group decision in general.
[11:44:20] <Alucroas> First it's user opinions don't count inspite of Eric always asking users for their opinions.
[11:44:57] <Alucroas> Op opinions don't count if a higher operator doesn't agree or can simply shun them away.
[11:45:25] <Alucroas> Equal level operators are sometimes able to gain power over another despite them being equal.
[11:46:12] <Alucroas> Inspite of higher ops being able to tell lower ops what to do this is thrown to the wayside during the arguement with Itachi in #OOC involving me, Zhelir, Kasurin, Ryand-Smith, and a few others.
[11:46:26] <Alucroas> That in itself is a direct contradiction of basic operating procedure.
[11:47:42] <Alucroas> Anyway, if you're not willing to disprove any of these 'theories' I'll simply accept it as failure to act competently.
[11:49:22] <Alucroas>
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[11:49:25] <Alucroas>
[11:49:45] <Alucroas> Here's some logs of refusal to backup a point by Eymber.
[11:49:48] <Alucroas> [11:01:01] <Eymber> ...
[11:49:48] <Alucroas> [11:01:40] <Alucroas> The ops don't like him around. The owners don't like him around. The users don't like his drama. And he's causing too much bullshit.
[11:49:48] <Alucroas> [11:01:59] <Alucroas> Name one time an actual user complained with logs showing the proof.
[11:49:48] <Alucroas> [11:02:14] <Eymber> I don't need to provide you with anything.
[11:49:48] <Alucroas> [11:02:21] <Alucroas> But I cannot stand up to him because I dont have a higher status than he does.
[11:49:48] <Alucroas> [11:02:21] <Alucroas> I'm just a hop and I need to 'stfu' in his words.
[11:49:48] <Alucroas> [11:02:29] <Alucroas> Then here's my solution.
[11:49:48] <Alucroas> [11:02:40] <Alucroas> Since you so kindly accuse me of telling you to shut the fuck up.
[11:49:48] <Alucroas> [11:02:46] <Alucroas> I'm going to make that lie a truth.
[11:49:48] <Alucroas> [11:02:51] <Alucroas> Shut the fuck up.
[11:49:48] <Alucroas> [11:02:54] <Alucroas> There.
[11:49:48] <Alucroas> [11:03:08] <Alucroas> Now you actually have some proof.
[11:49:48] <Alucroas> [11:03:11] <Eymber> You've told me to stfu before when i tried to get you to stop doing something
[11:49:48] <Alucroas> [11:03:16] <Alucroas> Oh.
[11:49:48] <Alucroas> [11:03:17] <Alucroas> Log?
[11:49:48] <Alucroas> [11:03:49] <Eymber> I'm not going to spend the next hour reading through my shit to appease you.
[11:50:48] <Alucroas> "I don't need to provide you with anything." <-------------This would indicate that operators can ban freely without reason, essentially giving them the freedom to abuse their power. I was banned for abusing my power? With that kind of notion, that's very laughable.
[11:51:22] <Alucroas> That was an obvious deliberate miscontrusion just to give you an example of how easily I see through deliberate misinterpretations thrown at me.
[11:51:59] <Alucroas> This is all easy to understand if you read some psychology every once in a while.
[11:52:38] <Alucroas>
[11:52:39] <Alucroas>
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[11:52:39] <Alucroas>
[11:52:49] <Alucroas> Spacing it out a bit so it doesn't get bunched together.
[11:53:10] <Alucroas> Here's evidence of attempting to be lazy while at the same time proving they cannot make a point without buckling under pressure.
[11:53:10] <Alucroas> [11:03:54] <Alucroas> And as far as not having to show proof goes. It's a known fact that all moderators are supposed to provide logs of the situation.
[11:53:10] <Alucroas> [11:03:58] <Eymber> I'm sorry, I dont have the time or patience to deal with it.
[11:53:10] <Alucroas> [11:04:37] <Alucroas> Well, then that's just another excuse I have to place you on my list of accusers without plausible deniability.
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[11:55:18] <Alucroas> This is Eymber apparently getting mad at me for telling her how GWing's own rules work and why it should go into effect of her removal.
[11:55:21] <Alucroas> [11:05:58] <Alucroas> You can post this on the mod-forum if you like to use as evidence against me.
[11:55:21] <Alucroas> [11:06:03] <Eymber> Considering the fact that I haven't done ONE SINGLE thing in OOC
[11:55:21] <Alucroas> [11:06:05] <Alucroas> However it won't hold much water.
[11:55:21] <Alucroas> [11:06:20] <Eymber> and when I have, YOU have always bitched at me for it not being the decision that you would make
[11:55:22] <Alucroas> [11:06:30] <Alucroas> Well Eymber considering the fact that according to GWingers #GWing manner stretch into #OOC
[11:55:22] <Alucroas> [11:06:33] <Eymber> or informed me that the person that I'm warning has an exception.
[11:55:22] <Alucroas> [11:06:35] <Alucroas> So there you have it.
[11:55:22] <Alucroas> [11:06:47] <Alucroas> As a result of your actions in #GWing a demotion in #OOC would come into effect.
[11:55:22] <Alucroas> [11:06:55] <Alucroas> But that's just me going by your rules
[11:55:22] <Alucroas> [11:07:02] <Alucroas> Since you so love to enforce them.
[11:55:52] <Alucroas> How do GWIng manners stretch into GWingOOC?
[11:55:57] <Alucroas> did, rather*
[11:56:02] <Alucroas> ...
[11:56:05] <Alucroas> Scratch that.
[11:56:57] <Alucroas> How did occurences in #GWing lead to #OOC action? Simple. Master banning me from #OOC and removing my power. I hold nothing against Master, so let the record show that I have full respect for him, however other people not so much.
[11:57:47] <Alucroas> According to the way things went #OOC belonged to both Surrealchat users and GWing users so Master therefore has no right to remove a user from #OOC from a channel affiliated with GWing due to not having full ownership of the channel.
[11:58:06] <Alucroas> If Matthias the channel owner agreed with him on the ban then it would've been a full on legal ban.
[11:58:32] <Alucroas> However it wasn't. There's your full fledged proof of how #GWing manners don't stretch into #OOC
[11:58:34] <Alucroas> And visa versa.
[11:59:32] <Alucroas> This would also lead to the contradiction of Zhelir's judgement on how he chose to ban me from #GWing later that night. A situation that occurred in #OOC lead to me being banned in #GWing. One which should be debunked in all its fury considering operators of equal stature cannot outrule one another.
[11:59:46] <Alucroas> This was back when I had regained my SOP powers in #OOC
Session Time: Thu Dec 06 00:00:01 2007
[12:00:44] <Alucroas> I also would like to add onto the fact that people said I was going right back to my old habits and committed multiple assaults and abused my power multiple times when that one occurence was the only occurence I had to deal with in #OOC at all between the time my SOP was returned to me and again removed.
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[12:01:52] <Alucroas> As another link to this event. If I see a user complaining or talking about a problem in #OOC my power as an SOP grants me the ability to step in and attempt to resolve the situation in whatever way I see fit which may include throwing off another operator.
[12:02:20] <Alucroas> This throwing off another operator policy was enforced by Matthias which leads me to the conclusion that Zhelir was wrong in his statements about me having some sort of disposition over other operators.,
[12:02:22] <Alucroas> .*
[12:02:55] <Alucroas> However that does indeed contradict my statements about the belief of ops not being able to outrule other operators.
[12:03:10] <Alucroas> However this was simply going by the policies of IRC.
[12:03:23] <Alucroas> Nowhere in the rules of GWing was this stated that an op can overthrow another op.
[12:03:43] <Alucroas> Same with Matthias' statements. If there's a rule, then it should be made public for all to see, not merely hidden in the shadows.
[12:04:27] <Alucroas> Now since no official rules were stated, I was in fact within perfectly legal bounds to step in and attempt to resolve the situation. Nowhere did I actually throw Zhelir right out of the picture.
[12:04:31] <Alucroas> As I said before.
[12:04:56] <Alucroas> "Calm down." = Calm down guys, no need to flame over this. I don't want to put up with some flame wars. Of course I will if I have to.
[12:05:27] <Alucroas> Sub-evidence would indicate that Zhelir was in a bad mood due to his natural tendency to not get mad at things like this ordinarily.
[12:06:20] <Alucroas> Judging by statements made afterwards in the mod-forum about ZHelir getting so pissed about between 3-6 sentences and leaving his computer is an obvious indication that he was in no condition to be dealing with such a manner and in fact encourages me in every way to help resolve the situation in whatever way I can.
[12:07:33] <Alucroas> There's Eymber stating in a log that he did in fact leave.
[12:07:33] <Alucroas> [11:07:55] <Eymber> The only reason that I stepped in was because of Justin.
[12:07:33] <Alucroas> [11:08:00] <Eymber> HE lefts because of your ass
[12:10:07] <Zhelir> Damn, you've got some free time to ramble on. And I sincerely hope you're not harassing Eymber at the moment. But we'll get to that. I'm going to overlook the parts of your bitching that are both irrelevant or something that would make a judge laugh. But speaking of judges, remember that we do not follow a strict, clear-cut set of rules, which we constantly remind people of. We have a simple "no bullshit" policy with punishment b
[12:10:11] <Zhelir> what an operator sees fit.
[12:10:41] <Zhelir> Additionally, you are not an operator of equal status to me. I have NEVER associated myself with Surreal staff, and you were staff only by their good graces, not ours.
[12:11:08] <Zhelir> I left the computer the night in question because after YOUR actions, I saw a power struggle coming and avoided it the only way I could, due to your lacking the ability to see reason.
[12:11:44] <Zhelir> Furthermore, your claim that, essentially, nobody likes me is quite bullshit. I've not had a user aside from you complain to me in months, and have a PM folder full of "Thank you"s from people on the forums recieving help.
[12:12:00] <Zhelir> I'm not attempting to boost my own good name, merely to correct your apparently horrific judgement.
[12:12:05] <Alucroas> [11:24:02] <Eymber> I was innocent of this information, and was mearly a part of the RP.
[12:12:05] <Alucroas> [11:28:56] <Alucroas> I'll tell you when I'm done filling this up.
[12:12:05] <Alucroas> [11:29:02] <Alucroas> And enbolden the specific logs.
[12:12:05] <Alucroas> [11:29:05] <Alucroas> [03:27:57] <Alucroas> Now my only real goal is to get unbanned from #GWing
[12:12:05] <Alucroas> [11:29:05] <Alucroas> [03:28:12] <Akiro> o_o
[12:12:05] <Alucroas> [11:29:05] <Alucroas> [03:28:13] <Saladin> Which I would have done for you.
[12:12:05] <Alucroas> [11:29:05] <Alucroas> [03:28:19] <Akiro> Why'd you get unbanned from GWing?
[12:12:05] <Alucroas> [11:29:05] <Alucroas> [03:28:22] <Akiro> banned^
[12:12:05] <Alucroas> [11:29:06] <Alucroas> [03:28:27] <Saladin> Apart from the fact that they removed the only Op that does his job correctly
[12:12:05] <Alucroas> [11:29:06] <Alucroas> [03:28:37] <Akiro> Dumb.
[12:12:05] <Alucroas> [11:29:06] <Alucroas> [03:29:52] <Akiro> So it seems we've been dealing with Ops that abuse power.
[12:12:05] <Alucroas> [11:29:06] <Alucroas> [03:29:59] <Akiro> How many do we have?
[12:12:08] <Alucroas> There's two.
[12:12:20] <Alucroas> Sorry, bud.
[12:12:46] <Zhelir> That's two what, now?
[12:12:48] <Alucroas> You just proved my point about refusal to disprove certain points by telling you wouldn't just now.
[12:13:16] <Zhelir> Yes, your theory must be correct because I won't waste three hours pouring through and correcting every incorrect thing you say.
[12:13:29] <Zhelir> I'm sorry, but conterary to what your mother told you, the world DOESN'T revolve around you.
[12:13:50] <Alucroas> Three hours?
[12:13:54] <Zhelir> Contrary* Some shit like that.
[12:14:00] <Alucroas> It's been less than an hour.
[12:14:08] <Zhelir> I'm making an estimate. There's a LOT in there that is, as I said, either irrelevant or laughable.
[12:14:11] <Alucroas> And I've already contradicted over half of what you had to say.
[12:14:13] <Zhelir> As I said, I excluded a lot.
[12:14:18] <Zhe