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Postby Yami-Dokuro on Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:42 pm

This is an open discussion on children, many people fear having children due to the pain of birth or the cost of upbringing but I want you all to express your views and opinions.
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Re: Children ( )

Postby muketsu_bara on Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:47 pm

I will gladly help you along on this topic Yami. I am twenty years old and I have a thirteen month old son. He is about to turn fourteen months old. Women never remember what pain they went through during child birth. I mean yeah it does hurt, but that doesn't trump the feeling of bringing a life into the world.
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Re: Children ( )

Postby Angel_Melfina on Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:59 am

Oh Lord. You've got me started, Yami!

My thoughts on kids are extensive, and they are thoughts that have not even shared with my fiance in full. I'll try to keep them short...

First of all, I'm not even 100% sure I want kids. I can see kids in my future, but think I'd prefer a life without them. I love kids, but they just seem like one more thing to worry about. Of course, I'm saying that at the age of 22.

Secondly, I have a feeling deep down that I will want kids later but my fiance is strongly against having them. I keep bringing it up with him lightly, hoping he might have changed his mind a little and not be so against having them, but nothing ever changes. This really scares me. what if my motherly instincts kick in after we get married and I decide that I want one for sure but he is still against them?

Thirdly, if somehow Kyle did decide he wanted a child, I would rather adopt and save a child that needs a good home instead of bringing another one into this world.

Lastly, I'm scared to have kids. I get terrified when I think of having to teach them the birds-and-the-bees, or about drugs and alcohol, or wanting them to go to college. I get terrified thinking about their first dates, or wonder what kind of driver they are, or whether or not they will make good grades. I get terrified thinking about the kind of people they hang around, what kind of job they might want, or how they will treat other people. There's so much more...

I have never told anyone this, but I think the main reason why I don't want to have kids is because I don't want to to screw them up, I guess. What if I don't raise them like I'm supposed to and they turn out to be rebellious and ruin their lives? I feel that one little mistake on my part would change theirs for the worst for the rest of their lives.

I almost feel like I shouldn't even bother with a child...that I shouldn't take the chance of messing them up somehow.
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Re: Children ( )

Postby Village Alchemist on Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:01 am

With overpopulation as bad as it is, I'd honestly feel irresponsable adding to the population.

Perhaps I could adopt a child. But only if I was securely married; I don't believe it's right for a person to have to grow up without a mother. I could go on a long rant about that, but I suppose that's for another discussion.
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Postby aeleon on Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:38 am

I am a baby freak. Every time I see a cute baby I errupt into tiny fits of cuteness. People have called me "broody" because of how much I love little babies, but I am absolutely not ready to have a child.

I used to think I would go my whole life without having children. Obviously, I was younger, and saw myself as a successful everything from adulthood to death, making millions and spending it all on myself. But as I grew up, I started being a bit more ambivalent, giving the idea of having a child more thought.

Now, I go back and forth between the former image and the ideal housewife image, with approx 2+ kids. It's a strange setup, but thankfully I don't think about the future as often as maybe I should. I don't even know what I'm going to do after university, which is next year.

At this point, I am embarrassed by how I feel towards children. I'm not intimidated by the pain because I've never experienced anything like it, so I can't make decisions based on that. Obv, right now I feel like I'm not ready to have kids, but I also feel like I'm never going to be ready. I have trouble taking care of myself and making my own decisions sometimes, how will I make decisions for another life that'll depend on me? Also, in terms of adoption... I'm really embarrassed to admit this, but I fear that I won't love a child that isn't my flesh & blood as much as one that is. I'm almost sure that this'll all change when I have a baby in my arms that is my own, but the fear that it won't still lingers.
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Re: Children ( )

Postby Mid on Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:48 pm

Well Mel honestly, I think everyone is afraid to have a child. It comes with the territory, ya know? What if I make this kid a killer? What if I harm this child? What if I scar this child for life? What if this child ends up hating me? What if this child dies on me? What if I can't take care of this child? What if things get to hard? There are so many what if's but the thing is... you will never know unless you try!

And I can understand where Kyle is coming from. He's young, he still has some time before he has to think of fatherhood and plus he's a guy. Also, you gotta understand that he prolly has the same fears that you're having right now. Kids are scary, point blank period! No if-s or but's about it, lol.

And I can agree with adopting another child, because I am sooooooo scared of giving birth. I know that sometimes things go wrong and women do die from childbirth. And that's what scares me aside from the OMG PAIN! But I as much as I'd like to adopt one, I'd also wouldn't mind having a little me running around. I love kids to death, I love teaching them things about life. I love seeing them grow and mature and I just enjoy being around them.

I get that mommy bug myself, but I know that having a kid is a lot of responsibility and right now is not the time. Kids rock when they're disciplined. But of course there are them little bad ass fuckers that need a serious beat down.

From what I've seen of the kids today, most of them lack respect and control. And most of them are blind to the world around them, they also lack the motive to advance in their lives. Happy with where they are and how their lives are. It's all about the "block" and there is no such thing as a world BEYOND the block. And it saddens me when you ask a child, a teenage one at that, do you know why we are at war? Or do you know why the Greeks fought the Trojans? Or what do you want to be when you're older? And they reply... I don't know.

Like I really wish we could change this about them because they're suppose to be our future, ya know? And from what I've seen... it ain't looking so bright.
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Re: Children ( )

Postby Angel_Melfina on Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:51 am

Thanks so much for reassuring me a bit, Mid. All those questions you asked are ones I have thought about. It's scary as crap, and apparently crap is pretty scary.

After talking to a dear friend, I decided to sit Kyle down and talk to him last night. I really didn't know a good way to talk to him about this without busting out into tears (I'm way too damn emotional sometimes), so I talked to his mom first and she helped me put it into beautiful words. She suggested I tell him that if he really loved me, he will never close that door completely. If he loved me, he would not deny me that God-given right to have a child. There are two of us in a relationship and it takes two of us to make the decision. I didn't tell him any of this last night, I just told him that it scares the crap out me that he says he never wants kids, when I feel like I will one day. He said he didn't really know what to say to me, that he still didn't want kids, but I told him to think about it. I want to give him time to consider what he truly wants with my feelings in the equation. I guess we'll see where it goes from there. I hope he'll open up to me about it with his true feelings. After how long we've been together, I'd hope he would.

The one thing I feel bad about though is that in the first few years of our relationship (We'll have been together 4.5 years this May), I told him I definitely didn't want kids. It's just over the past year that I've been thinking that I do want them eventually. I've matured tremendously over the past couple years and that's a part of it. That, and spending time with his nieces and nephew and watching his sister have the most beautiful children that are so much fun to be around. I've watched those kids grow up for over 4 years, and it's one of the most beautiful things.

Blah, this is another long post. Sorry!!

I completely agree with you, Mid, on the fact that kids now-a-days do not have the respect, discipline, or knowledge that we were so adamantly taught. I've sworn for years that if I had kids, they would be raised with discipline just as I was. I got my ass whooped and I am GREATFUL for it because of the way I turned out. Not like, in an abusive way. I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea. I think the problem lies with the parents. I don't know what it is about the generation primarily with kids age 5-15 right now, but they just seem to be all about giving them whatever the hell they want.
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Re: Children ( )

Postby Mid on Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:18 am

You're welcome Mel :D Just give that boy some time, he prolly needs some time to mature himself. We all mature at different points in our lives, most take longer then others unfortunately. And now that he knows how you feel (somewhat :P) I'm sure it will be in the back of his mind for a while. Now.......

One of the problems that I've noticed is this, Kids raising kids. How can one expect a 15 year old to raise a child? Most of them don't even know how to take care of them damn selves. Even like what... 60 years ago, when it was barely acceptable to marry a 13 year old they still didn't know. Those kids were always taken care of to be honest, <<.

Another could be the fact that now people are seeing things this way, if you hit a child even to spank them... it's abuse. Which I honestly think is retarded. I can understand if you grab a kid and just shake the shit outta them or starve them for days, or even go about beating them to the point where they lose consciousness but a simple slap upside the head to bring them back to reality is not that serious. Of course there are those who are lucky enough to not need to be hit, but not everyone is THAT lucky.

Another thing could be fear. Mabbe the parent before had a bad childhood experience, so they decided to never lay a hand on their child and give them what ever they want in order to make their child happy and love them. Of course this pretty much usually backfires since the kid usually ends up resenting their parents for never challenging them.

There are like so many reasons, like depression. ;.;...

On another note; FERAL CHILDREN!! Omgee... One day while I was bored I just looked them up, and as sad as their life stories are... it's honestly interesting. How one needs other life forms to teach them how to smile or laugh, or even think and eat. There was a girl named Genie? I believe. Her mother was mentally disabled, and her grandfather was angry with his daughter for having Genie outta marriage. This caused the mother to lock the girl up in a storage closet for about five years, by the time she was found they said it was already to late for her. The girl was just an empty shell of what she could've been.

Like a few others have been raised by dogs, or apes. But most of them have been abused or neglected. I find it to be interesting in the sense of how far a person can go. @.@


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