koalapanda wrote:If you'd care to read the first two words of my previous post again, this time paying attention, you'd find that matter does in fact escape from black holes. Just quarks, but that' all that would have come out of the big bang anyway. They later settled into protons and neutrons, and them into heavy hydrogen, and that into the elements that comprise our universe. All due respect, which isn't a lot, your logic doesn't apply to this situation. The big bang is a notoriously logic-free zone due to the quantum mechanics that account for it. Quantum mechanics, by the way, operate on the fact that one particle can be in two places at once, among others. This is true, by the way, because it has been tested and proven enough to build functioning quantum computers that function on this principle of superposition.

It may help you to realize that we're not talking about a black hole. As I've tried to say before, and will have to say in small words now, a black hole can only be a black hole with a universe surrounding it. If there is no light or matter around a singularity, then it is not a black hole because there is nothing falling into it or being affected by it. Not even light to give it its name. No context, no predictions. Anyway, belief has little to do with this. Most scientists were originally aghast at the proposition of a big bang, but accepted it despite their prior beliefs because of the undeniable evidence pointing towards universal expansion and a smaller universe in the past, originating at an infinitesimally small point. Honestly, I'm just repeating things that I read in a Brief History of Time. I obviously can't present you with all the facts here, because I'm not an expert. You should read the book, though, if you want to rectify your misapprehensions about black holes. And yes, I've read the bible. Well, most of the old testament and the four main gospels, and like a couple of chapters of first corinthians, but people don't usually bother to finish Hawking either.

This is fun, isn't it? You'll never admit that the big bang was possible, and I'll keep smacking my forehead with this plank. Here's some fun stuff to make everyone happy: The very first stage of the universe after the big bang would have been all free particles with massive energy, zooming around. This includes photons. So, in the beginning, the universe would have glowed. Let there be light, y'all. At some point, particles and antiparticles would stop annihilating because the antiparticles would be trapped in primordial black holes due to their negative energy, leaving behind the positive energy particles that we know and love. Heavens from the earth? I don't know, this is a weak metaphor and I'm getting bored.

Science, which happens to be where these theroies of evolution and the Big Bang come from, only contradicts itself. Why would you want to put your trust in an area of study that contradicts itself?

ohhhhhallibaba wrote:Man, those mudskippers and lungfish are truly amazing. It's hard to believe that something like that wasn't designed and thought of. So I won't.

I'm not doubting the existense of the creatures, I'm just doubting the thought of them being evolved over millions of years. I truly find that extremely hard to fathom. Not to mention the human body. The human brain is more complex than any computer designed by man, and our eyes deliver better picture than any camera lens designed. Not to mention the complexity of our systems and how they work in harmony to keep a healthy functioning being. I simply cannot grasp the concept that this was, basically, an accident. Any closer to the sun we'd burn up. Any farther away and we'd freeze. We inhale oxygen and exhale CO2, while plants do just the opposite. I simply don't see the rational logic behind thinking it was an accident.