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by **Wakboth** on Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:26 pm

Thanks for adding your point of view Demon. Most people are saying yes too, you'll be glad to know. Shame it's not our decision

ThatsNotPoetry, I agree with you on that. God's religion is about love for all, and that is a point my Dad makes when criticising the church's many failings. We also have to remember, as you kind of pointed out, it's not all big bad priests and bishops, sometimes its the plain old followers who do the condemning.

I think originally part of the reason I gave up my faith was a dis-enchantment with how the religion was and a general lack of community feeling. I walked out on the church before I lost actual faith, and to me now it feels that church was all that really kept me believing because every Sunday I would hear about God's wonderfulness. You know?

These days I would attribute it to an overall idea of why gods and spiritual deities in general do not exist. There is so much evidence against the idea and sometimes it seems that people have faith due to a lack of research on mythology. The more you read theologically, the more you start to realise christianity is not exactly new.

Now, this could be contributed to the idea we have always thought of god but our explanation of the theory has developed with our general growth in knowledge etc. The reason why other gods were made? Manifestations of God that were explained differently but still eventually lead to the same being. Certainly this is often the explanation christians gave when converting others, like Native American tribes or Celtic pantheon followers 'Your gods are actually saints, speaking for you to the Lord' and it seemed to work. So maybe it's true?

But personally I feel that it's not a believable thing. I'm not sad I lost faith, I could now no more pretend I believed in God than I could pretend to be a wizard (in real life, obviously roleplaying it is easy

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Why has this turned into theology again?

Yes, it is definitely wrong for them to condemn his blessing. God's love is meant to be for all, even if they do not believe in God or in this case, are apparently sinning by his word.

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by **Myrin** on Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:32 am

Yet all those religions were around BEFORE Christianity. I mean Jesus was an old shepherd before he became the young dude we know today.

Also... I think the reason people keep faith (regardless of evidence) is due to sanity. Life is harsh and cruel, and faith is like hope. Some people rely on that.

by **Wakboth** on Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:36 pm

I think it's not just that but a way of explaining things we did not, or still do not understand.

And, when was Jesus an old shepherd?

by **Myrin** on Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:25 pm

I took a history of Western Art class and we ended up discussing religion a lot because after a while Art became a huge part of religion.

*Grabs her textbook*

"During the course of the Roman Empire, a new religion was born. Christianity was legally sanctioned by Constantine the Great in A.D. 313."

Ya see at first Christianity was consider worthless and people caught doing it were usually punished by being nailed to a cross for several days. But Constantine became fascinated with the religion and felt they deserved a chance to grow. He loved it so much that he was baptize as a Christian.

And I don't see the sculptor here which means it was a slide (Ugh) but I kinda remember it. Two sculptors, the lower half is of an old man above a sewer with an animal. It's believed to be Christ because it's older then other paintings/sculptors of him. The higher part had something to do with God, I think he was sitting in a throne.

by **Relax and Play** on Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:09 pm

Humans have more than enough of a population, and it's not like we're the only species who has recreational sex. Chimpanzees are one example.

I see no wrong with same gender marriage in the black and white sense.

For same-sex couple adoption - I handle it as I would an opposite-sex couple adoption - both parents should give the child in question room to breathe, develop beliefs, opinions, etc, and not try to subjugate them to be what the parent's want them to be. Especially so in the case of adopting an older child (as in over 13) who most likely already does have a firmly placed sense of beliefs and morals.

by **articefive** on Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:46 am

Hey yo. I am gay so yeah just so you all know most of I are now in my like friend list because if we want to make out lives miserable like all the rest of you why stop us, but still affection in public at all I find disgusting, straight, gay or bi. I think that if people watn to show affection then they can mess around inside of thier own house or home of whatever. I think and strongly believe that if someone says god finds it immoral then they are wrong. The church has its own set of rules set aside from those of god. They make it so that if you are not perfect you are to b elooked down upon. Most the time at least I know that some of the rules are honest but some of them go to far. It makes some people seem wrong for thier own believes. I do not like the idea that people must not fight against this. Still I do like to see that so many people are open and cool about it instead fo being completely hateful. Thier are some but not as many as you would think.

by **CelestialAkina** on Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:30 pm

Hm... I personally consider myself very open minded and I think I accept people for who they are, regardless of gender, race, sexuality etc.

But I must admit, if I saw a homosexual couple, male or female, making out in the street I would feel quite shocked and grossed out by it. I can't help it. I'm a heterosexual teenage girl in a long term relationship who doesn't like PDAs even with hetro couples. Generally I think little things like cuddling or a peck on the lips are okay, but it's easy to make me feel uncomfortable. I suppose when it's me and my boyfriend I'm not as conscious, but you never are, are you?

I have gay friends, heck one of them used to be my best friend. And I tease my best friend about being bisexual. Personally I don't like to have anything to do with mixing up my own sexuality because I know I like males and there's no other way for me. I'm perfectly happy. And even the thought of being with a girl makes me feel sort of sick.

I think its one of those things that's sort of bread into you through the media and such. I'm not a Christian with those severe beliefs and neither of my parents are homophobic or racist or anything, but still on occasion I have a thought like "Oh gosh they so shouldn't be doing that in public" even though you just saw a hetro couple doing the same thing, and I was fine with it.

Personally I think, do what you want, as long as it's in your own home. And I don't think homosexuality will ever be completely accepted in society, but I'm certainly not against it. I just don't want to see two girls or guys making out in front of me *sweat drop*.

Of course that counts with marriage too. If they are in love, of course they should be allowed to get married. But the commitment should be counted the same as it always is, as a life long binding contract. *sigh* It's so complicated.

Sorry for rambling

by **articefive** on Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:29 am

I agree with you, if you want to make out don't do it in the street that is weird even for me. If I see two guys that isn't exactly the greatest thing or two girls or straight couples, what you do in the safety of your own home is up to you. We all don't need to know what you are doing. Good points though.

by **isafos** on Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:47 pm

For me it's a very simple question, as I'm an atheist, which is ironically the least predjudice of the demographics, next to the comatose that is. Theists are ridiculous about this. They try to impose their beliefs on other people, when it's neither their body, their mind or their choice. People have the right to say, think and do whatever they want, as long as it abides with your local laws. Two thousand year old fiction should be left out of it entirely.

To be quite frank, I do not care what you do with your dicks. Just as long as I'm left out of it.

One thing I do not like though, is how Gay couples seem to have to push it in my face. You've already won your rights, so do what you do in peace. We know you're gay, stop trying to get attention.

by **ThatsNotPoetry** on Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:58 pm

isafos wrote:To be quite frank, I do not care what you do with your dicks. Just as long as I'm left out of it.

yanno, gay does not equal gay male. ^_~

isafos wrote:One thing I do not like though, is how Gay couples seem to have to push it in my face. You've already won your rights, so do what you do in peace. We know you're gay, stop trying to get attention.

I think I am aware of the behavior of which you speak. Attention-seekers suck, regardless of who they are or what kind of attention they want.

I do want to make it clear to everyone, however, that acting gay does not equal pushing it in someone's face. I think a lot of people put the two together and assume that if someone talks or dresses in a manner more defined as that of the other gender, it's an attempt to make you notice their homosexuality. No. That's just them living their life.

by **articefive** on Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:20 am

Personally I must agree with the last two posts equally. I mean there are a lot of attention seekers out there who are trying to get the attention all on themselves. But then there are people who do dress differently just so that they can look a appealing way to themselves. Some people do it just for fun so it isn't always just trying to put it in your face. But yeah still must say that do it in your own home and not in front of everyone, not everyone wants to see people sucking face.

by **Wakboth** on Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:54 pm

To add to ThatsNotPoetry's (what's your name? >_<) comments. I've been todl i'm 'camp'. I'm definitely feminine, in the way I act, long hair is not a girl thing by any means but mine is very girly somehow, and just in nature I'm feminine. A lot of people think I'm gay but I'm not. Homosexuality is not somehow definable by dress-sense and demeanour. Nor is heterosexuality, for that matter.

by **articefive** on Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:32 am

Very good point Wakboth. You make a point many do not want to take into consideration over many things. SO far all of you have made good points, which I have showed friends which make them consider things they haven't before so good job. Besides that though just because you have long hair or are feminine does not mean gay.... I have friends the same way but arn't gay and would freak me out by coming out and saying they were gay. It would be different. But yeah, just because some people are one way does not mean everyone that acts in that way is the same.

by **Dylaer** on Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:22 pm

isafos wrote:For me it's a very simple question, as I'm an atheist, which is ironically the least predjudice of the demographics, next to the comatose that is. Theists are ridiculous about this. They try to impose their beliefs on other people, when it's neither their body, their mind or their choice.

I agree very much with these sentiments. No one should ever force anyone into something they don't want. Sure, I (sorta) see the reason behind their thinking but they still have no more right to dictate how someone should behave than anyone else.

On a more personal level, I have never understood why this should be a problem. I myself am heterosexual, but I have quite a few homosexual friends. I want them to be happy, just like I do for any of my other friends. If, to be happy, they were to marry someone of the same gender, then I fully support that. Why should you stop them from being happy? Because some 2000 year old book of unverifiable accuracy says that it's wrong? That makes no sense to me at all. Just because something is traditional doesn't make it the truth.

by **articefive** on Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:32 am

YEAH!!! Dylaer is awesome and so is everyone else. I also believe that the churches can go to far with the way they say that most things that are different are wrong, but that is the way most humans are. Judgement is passed no matter who you are or what you believe. Everyone has a little bit of them that passes judgement, its just the churches do it much worse!

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