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Alacer Phasmatis wrote:Yep. It's mob-type behavior at its basest form, but that's the sad truth of debate.

Now, I have to ask you (in all friendliness): could you try and say why homosexuals shouldn't be allowed marriage/ PDA? I don't care if you rant on and on for three pages, so long as I can fully understand your point. Because right now, it seems sort of illogical to me (now that is one sentence that's totally leaving me open to fire :p). After all, an alcoholic can hook up with an alcoholic and the general view is 'okay, that doesn't concern me at all, since they're none of my business...'

Isn't that applicable to homosexuality as well?

Very good point at the end, there. A wonderful analogy, and I understand it isn't meant to personally compare homosexuals to alcoholics--simply that the general view is that it is not personally acceptable, not unlike alcoholism.

However my question is, who are you asking to try and argue for the "no marriage/public displays of affection"? Just anyone in the thread who would try to make the claim, or are you speaking to someone in particular?

I warn you that whoever you are speaking to, even if you manage to get an answer that isn't given the "because God says blah blah blah" excuse (oh what an easy, lazy, and thoughtless one it is, too) you likely won't get any real reasons. Thus far we have almost all come to the conclusion that people make these judgments based on less reason and more out of fear, mistrust, and socially-fed bias.

At least dog attack victims have that one key moment in their lives where they were faced with the subject matter that has left them biased against dogs for the rest of their days. Yes, I am rolling my eyes. (Not at dog attack victims.)

Myrin wrote:*Loves on ThatsNotPoetry*

AND kids grow up healthier with same sex couples despite those ignorant little fucks who screw with them for it. You're more

I take offense to this. As an "ignorant little fuck" who wants to have kids, I do not like the implication that I am going to be a bad mother and that some gay guy is a better parent then me based on sexual orientation! While I know some gay guys who will be wonderful parents, I also know some who will fill their child with hate for "breeders". Saying that sexual orientation makes a good parent is stupid. People are people, no matter their orientation and being gay doesn't mean you can't be a prejudiced.

Um... first off, I wasn't being offensive. Someone said earlier that gay couples should not adopt because they will destroy how a child was raised and screw them up for life.

As for "those little fucks," well... I thought it was clear but I'm referring to kids who taunt same-sex kids. Running around calling them fags (It's a damn cigarette!) or dykes. Sending them straight to hell and being as nasty as can be. Just as there are adults who will beat you due to your skin, orientation or religion there are kids like that. The kids are the worst.

And I wasn't saying straight parents should NEVER have kids. I was just making a point to another comment made.

Myrin wrote:AND kids grow up healthier with same sex couples despite those ignorant little fucks who screw with them for it.

I gotta admit this was sort of awkwardly worded. I had a hard time understanding it, though I didn't assume any of the worst stuff xD I knew what you meant.

Amamelina wrote:I take offense to this. As an "ignorant little fuck" who wants to have kids, I do not like the implication that I am going to be a bad mother and that some gay guy is a better parent then me based on sexual orientation! While I know some gay guys who will be wonderful parents, I also know some who will fill their child with hate for "breeders". Saying that sexual orientation makes a good parent is stupid. People are people, no matter their orientation and being gay doesn't mean you can't be a prejudiced.

Perhaps don't leap to such awful conclusions; it'll save you a lot of undo stress. Surely I would be terribly offended, as well, if I thought someone was saying that. But it would have been an incredibly ridiculous claim, as would a claim in the exact opposite direction.

XD My bads. I have issues with making my thoughts clear sometimes. <<;;

Myrin wrote:Um... first off, I wasn't being offensive. Someone said earlier that gay couples should not adopt because they will destroy how a child was raised and screw them up for life.

As for "those little fucks," well... I thought it was clear but I'm referring to kids who taunt same-sex kids. Running around calling them fags (It's a damn cigarette!) or dykes. Sending them straight to hell and being as nasty as can be. Just as there are adults who will beat you due to your skin, orientation or religion there are kids like that. The kids are the worst.

And I wasn't saying straight parents should NEVER have kids. I was just making a point to another comment made.

I'll appologize for reading that wrong, but that's all I'll appologize for.

ThatsNotPoetry wrote:

True Grave wrote:Quote three: I would rather do the baseball catcher crouch if I was going to pick up something for a gay person. I just feel I should do that, rather than just bending straight over. Unless my backside was not facing the person I now to be gay, then I'd bend over and pick it up. Also, that example was to show that I would treat them with human decency. That was the point of it.

I find this whole thing here to be extremely ridiculous. Please tell me why you will not bend over in front of a homosexual.

im not homosexual nor am i homophobic, at all but, if a gay person looks at the arse of another man bending down is it not the same as a man looking at a womans arse if she bends down? and visa versa or however you spell it.

Amamelina wrote:

Myrin wrote:Um... first off, I wasn't being offensive. Someone said earlier that gay couples should not adopt because they will destroy how a child was raised and screw them up for life.

As for "those little fucks," well... I thought it was clear but I'm referring to kids who taunt same-sex kids. Running around calling them fags (It's a damn cigarette!) or dykes. Sending them straight to hell and being as nasty as can be. Just as there are adults who will beat you due to your skin, orientation or religion there are kids like that. The kids are the worst.

And I wasn't saying straight parents should NEVER have kids. I was just making a point to another comment made.

I'll appologize for reading that wrong, but that's all I'll appologize for.

Dun even worry about it. The mistake was mines for not being clear and you're entitled to your thoughts.

I am sooooo buying a damn laptop this christmas XD

i think same sex couples should be able to adopt, i know there are some things different but parenting as a whole is almost the same and i don't think that there is a definant "straight parents are better at parenting" or vice verse. every situation is different because every person is different and to make conclusions like that is in my opinion, ignorant.

sittingboob wrote:

ThatsNotPoetry wrote:

True Grave wrote:Quote three: I would rather do the baseball catcher crouch if I was going to pick up something for a gay person. I just feel I should do that, rather than just bending straight over. Unless my backside was not facing the person I now to be gay, then I'd bend over and pick it up. Also, that example was to show that I would treat them with human decency. That was the point of it.

I find this whole thing here to be extremely ridiculous. Please tell me why you will not bend over in front of a homosexual.

im not homosexual nor am i homophobic, at all but, if a gay person looks at the arse of another man bending down is it not the same as a man looking at a womans arse if she bends down? and visa versa or however you spell it.

The assumption that every gay man will find every other man sexy enough to stare at his ass in public is part of the "ridiculous" thing of which I speak. Let's keep in mind that the majority of homosexuals aren't looking to make themselves out to be sexually obsessed flamers. I.E. blatantly staring at dude's asses. The other major "ridiculous" thing had been that he felt the need to say it at all. Going out of one's way to list things one will or will not do in accordance with the presence of a homosexual is really quite silly, in my opinion.

The point was that the person with whom I spoke wouldn't give me reasons for anything. I understand your reason, yes, but he was refusing to give me any reason. For anything. It's a moot point now as the young man has left the topic and we're trying not to re-quote him lest he feel pressured to return, which he has specifically expressed a desire not to do.

Thank you for addressing it, though.

This is a religious issue, not a legal one. If your church forbids it, don't do it. If not, then whatever. I don't see what business a secular government has in the business of marriage.

ThatsNotPoetry wrote:The assumption that every gay man will find every other man sexy enough to stare at his ass in public is part of the "ridiculous" thing of which I speak. Let's keep in mind that the majority of homosexuals aren't looking to make themselves out to be sexually obsessed flamers. I.E. blatantly staring at dude's asses. The other major "ridiculous" thing had been that he felt the need to say it at all. Going out of one's way to list things one will or will not do in accordance with the presence of a homosexual is really quite silly, in my opinion.

The point was that the person with whom I spoke wouldn't give me reasons for anything. I understand your reason, yes, but he was refusing to give me any reason. For anything. It's a moot point now as the young man has left the topic and we're trying not to re-quote him lest he feel pressured to return, which he has specifically expressed a desire not to do.

Thank you for addressing it, though.

sorry if I made it seem that all gay people look at peoples arses I was just like singling out a single incident

Village Alchemist wrote:This is a religious issue, not a legal one. If your church forbids it, don't do it. If not, then whatever. I don't see what business a secular government has in the business of marriage.

good point

sittingboob wrote:

Village Alchemist wrote:This is a religious issue, not a legal one. If your church forbids it, don't do it. If not, then whatever. I don't see what business a secular government has in the business of marriage.

good point

It's an issue of should these people have the same rights and privilages as the rest of society. A person cannot help it if they are born gay. No amount of religion will stop them from being attracted to the person they are attracted to. If all religions in the world came out and said, "Don't be attracted to redheads. They are evil," would that stop anyone from being attracted to redheads?

And, that's not a silly example. In most vampire/witch myths, redhair was a sign of evil.

I'm a very religious person. However, I don't have a huge problem with gay peoples. I have more of a problem with adulterers then I do with the gay lifestyle. If I wanted to take this on a religious debate, there are maybe two or three times in the Bible that mention homosexuality. There are many mentions on how wrong adultry is, and yet, people now adays have more of a problem with someone sleeping with a partner of the same sex then with someone cheating on their spouse.

Village Alchemist wrote:This is a religious issue, not a legal one. If your church forbids it, don't do it. If not, then whatever. I don't see what business a secular government has in the business of marriage.

"Marriage or wedlock is an interpersonal relationship (usually intimate and sexual) with governmental, social, or religious recognition. It is often created by a contract or through civil processes."

Right now the definition of marriage does not have to include religious undertones. The definition of marriage that homosexuals are concerned with us that of civil rights. Homosexuals are being denied the legal right to receive marriage services by the state. If a church is kind enough to have a ceremony, it's nice and all, but that doesn't do jack shit. I can have a priest tell me a few words about being loyal and loving someone and I can repeat "I do" in front of a giant stained glass window, but that doesn't give me any legal marriage rights. The civil processes are what matters, and it's what we're fighting for. Church marriages are preceded by legal contracts.