In my opinion though, ghosts are real in a way. In which, it is believed that God made them from devils whom are named as jinns. It was all said in the book of Qur'an. (I'm a Muslim, okay?) So in this type of topic, I'd rather say that jinns do live amongst us. Now in this month, they don't exactly stay with us for that much as it used to in other months since now is the month of Ramadhan and God had limited their powers - less than usual.

This is my opinion, you do not exactly have to follow it. My opinion is based on the Holy Kitab of Qur'an, the Attribute of God as we Muslims say it.

Spirits exist. Ghosts do not.

You die, you get judged, whether you go to Sheol or the "bosom of Abraham", that's the end of the story. You don't come back (well, not for a while, obviously), and you don't linger.

I think it is quite likely that ghosts exist. If someone said 'I saw a ghost' or something like that, I wouldn't knock it. I have no knowledge of what happens after death, so in my mind it's entirely possible that someone could become a ghost. I've kind of learned my way from fiction, where all the 'normal' people are completely scientifically minded and and refuse to believe anything supernatural unless they see it with their own eyes. I WILL NOT SUCCUMB! I WILL NOT BE 'NORMAL'!

In our universe? No.
In other paralell universe'? Yes.
In our minds? Absolutely.

That's my opinion. And my reason for that last one, in our minds, is this.

Ghosts are, most likely, completely a creation of our imagination. If you went into a dark forest without the knowledge that something may be lurking in the dark, you probably wouldn't be very frightened(given you weren't scared of the dark). But if you returned to that very forest after being told somebody was going to kill you there, you'll probably begin to think that he's in there due to objects resembling a human figure. Even though nobody in there is out to get you, the fact that you think they will is enough to kick your subconscious into overdrive and act extremely cautiously.

Same goes for ghosts. At least, that's what I say.

Say you walk into a haunted house, thinking there's a ghost in there. A cup, which was precariously perched upon a ledge, falls to the ground and shatters. Immediatly, you pair up the knowledge of the cup breaking with the first thing in your mind: ghost. Therefor you come to the conclusion that a ghost pushed the cup. But could it not have been a coincidence that it fell due to being precariously perched?

There's no proof of ghosts, but there's no proof that they don't exist either, so it's really guesswork. I'm saying they don't exist in our universe.

Some people think ghosts are real, some don't. Ghosts is really another way of saying spirits, and just think about it. If we died, where do we 'go'? Or do we just die? It's a question that we won't know until we die probably. I believe that ghosts do exist as I've seen some paranormal things. But at the same time I think that ghosts are fake because of what common sense has taught me, "There's an explanation for everything."

By this I don't mean I haven't seen the videos of ghosts caught on tape, it is very freaky, but there is usually a logical explanation, and if there isn't, then heck it might just be a ghost! But seriously peoples, we are probably all going to find out if spirits/ghosts are real when we die and go to 'heaven' or 'hell'. Further discussion is needed.

Kevo,
out!

Blast wrote:Spirits exist. Ghosts do not.

You die, you get judged, whether you go to Sheol or the "bosom of Abraham", that's the end of the story. You don't come back (well, not for a while, obviously), and you don't linger.

If you seriously want to make an absolute statement like that, then you'd better be prepared to back it up. From my personal scientific observations, Ghosts follow the laws of conservation of mass, simply because energy cannot be destroyed, therefore when said energy is released, it comes in the form of brain-waves being released. Theoretically, we're already able to detect brain-waves via catscans; in which we're actually able to decipher what particular emotions may be registering within a person's brain. Therefore it can be hypothesized that ghosts/spirits are fragmentations of spiritual energy that have managed to-- through one form of electromagnetism or another-- piece itself back together.

The reason why they appear so incoherent to us, is simply because our eyes aren't nearly as attuned to detect the electromagnetic frequencies, that say an EMP-spectrometer would. That's why shows such as Ghost-Hunters are so successful, simply because they know what they're doing; they know what patterns to look for. For instance: if you go into a room with a lot of metal objects, or objects that give off an electromagnetic frequency: pipes, computers, televisions, etc., then it's probably not a very reliable location. However, a way of getting by that is also to look for the inconsistencies that happen to pop up when you're using an EM-Spectrometer, which more or less tends to occur in the form of EM-waves (Electromagnetic Waves) undulating around in a contrated area. The reason they undulate like that, is most likely due to the fact that EM-waves come in the form of waves of electrons (hence - electromagnetic and not proto magnetic waves).

To reiterate the last sentence in the first paragraph: a ghost/spirit is essentially composed of brain-waves that have been compressed into a semi-tangible form through one form of magnetism or another. Brain-waves are electromagnetic and are composed of waves of electrons, and since electrons repel other electrons away due to their negative charges, this means that whenever a spirit/ghost enters the area it exudes its own electromagnetic-field, causing all the electrons that would normally be flowing around them in the form of EM-waves to be repelled, which is what produces the undulating motion so often found on EM-spectrometers.

The paragraph as explained above is where most inconsistencies are detected, which is actually what you should be looking for when searching for ghosts/spirits. Most EM-waves tend to follow a fairly routine path, which is governed by the objects around them, therefore allowing you to form a standard statistical chart on what the norm is for EM-waves within that area. Simply put, as long as everything remains normal, then you probably don't have a spirit or ghost lurking around. If you do happen to have an inconsistency, I'd reccomend not jumping at it immediately, because as we all know there is such thing as faulty circuiting that can, in fact produce an inconsistency on the EM-spectrum.

Now, this is where you define whether or not it's a spirit or simply bad wiring in a building. When you find bad-wiring in a building, your EM-spectrometer will most likely be reading spontaneous bursts of electromagnetic activity. Why? Because when you have a bad wire, the electricity has to find the nearest source of material that is conducive to electrical currents (pipes, other wires, water, etc). The sudden jump in your EM-Spectrometer readings is due to said electricity 'jumping' from metal-object to another. The flow of electrons around another electromagnetic-field (that the ghost/spirit) is exuding is a far less volatile current, and allows for more consistency due to the fact, that the field that a ghost/spirit exudes is going to be nine out of ten times more stable.

Brain-waves are representations of thought-patterns that a person exudes, and as we all know thought-patterns are associated with the way a person thinks, and the way a person thinks is always associated with a person's personality, which, for the most part will remain stable and consistent, unless something comes along to disturb it via a traumatic event of some sort. This why Ghost-Hunters, and other such organizations, scientists, etc,. etc., look for the stable electromagnetic-fields that appear, and not the unstable ones, in order to properly confirm what they are seeing, and not act on their irrationalities, and secret-hopes, that maybe, just maybe they'll find a ghost.

So, after explaining all that, I can honestly say that I think Ghosts/Spirits do exist.

xMessiahx wrote:In our universe? No.
In other paralell universe'? Yes.
In our minds? Absolutely.

That's my opinion. And my reason for that last one, in our minds, is this.

Ghosts are, most likely, completely a creation of our imagination. If you went into a dark forest without the knowledge that something may be lurking in the dark, you probably wouldn't be very frightened(given you weren't scared of the dark). But if you returned to that very forest after being told somebody was going to kill you there, you'll probably begin to think that he's in there due to objects resembling a human figure. Even though nobody in there is out to get you, the fact that you think they will is enough to kick your subconscious into overdrive and act extremely cautiously.

Same goes for ghosts. At least, that's what I say.

Say you walk into a haunted house, thinking there's a ghost in there. A cup, which was precariously perched upon a ledge, falls to the ground and shatters. Immediatly, you pair up the knowledge of the cup breaking with the first thing in your mind: ghost. Therefor you come to the conclusion that a ghost pushed the cup. But could it not have been a coincidence that it fell due to being precariously perched?

There's no proof of ghosts, but there's no proof that they don't exist either, so it's really guesswork. I'm saying they don't exist in our universe.

That's really, (no offense) not a good way of defining whether or not a ghost exists or not. Parallel universes pretty much follow the same laws as any other universe, with the exception being that their histories are much different than the other. What, I think you were getting at, was that in another parallel universe the laws are different, which may allow a spirit/ghost to manifest itself on that particular plane, and thus make itself completely visible.

Also, as for the psychological part, not all people think the same way. For instance, I don't think that just because I hear about a ghost/spirit within a certain area, that one is there just because something out of the ordinary exists. I investigate it a little bit, check around, and then decide whether or not there's a spirit within an area. Though, I can understand your need to generalize the way people think, because without a general way of thinking, there really can't be a way of defining anything, because that's how definitions work.

Anyway, I hope that helps better explain the existence of ghosts/spirits within our universe.

Any questions, feel free to ask.

Just throwing this out there but...

Including ghost hunters in your argument is begging for criticism. It's on Sci-Fi, which means it's most likely fake.

xMessiahx wrote:Just throwing this out there but...

Including ghost hunters in your argument is begging for criticism. It's on Sci-Fi, which means it's most likely fake.

I'll admit, because Ghost Hunters appears on Sci-Fi, it's a bit of a stretch to consider it a reliable source of information. However, many of the techniques on Ghost Hunters are used by actual paranormal investigators (who are, even on the show, absolutely loathe to admit a place is haunted unless they have considerable amounts of evidence), and many of them are very respectable, skeptical people.

I will likely return to this rant with some reason why I actually have a pretty firmly rooted belief in them, when my attention is not so horribly divided. Until then!

xMessiahx wrote:Just throwing this out there but...

Including ghost hunters in your argument is begging for criticism. It's on Sci-Fi, which means it's most likely fake.

That depends. "Ghost Hunters" is what it is, a documentary of what The Atlantic Paranormal Society does in real life, though in production, a lot of TAPS' actions are a bit scripted, so there's a lot of if that needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

Such as the episode when they went aboard the USS Hornet (CV-12, not CV-8 that was sunk before CV-12's completion). They said they talked to everyone that works with the museum ship, and they didn't. My Uncle works on that ship, and they didn't even talk to him - and if they did, it was cut from the show. He gives tours of that Aircraft Carrier, and if you're ever able to go there, he calls himself "Papa Lou," my father and I were both pretty pissed about that one. All they talked to were people who manage the place that never actually step aboard it except for special occasions (one being TAPS' visit).

My uncle had some psychic wannabe butt**** on that ship one day. She stepped into a section of the ship that used to be [Centerline] Elevator #2, and said someone had died there. There's a problem. During World War II, that section of the ship used to be an elevator, but sometime through the 50's (IIRC), possibly 60's, it was refitted into an onboard Medical Bay. The place the "psychic" walked into, was a sound-isolating booth for HEARING TESTS, and said someone had died a miserable death in it AFTER the elevator had been changed into the Medical Bay. Frankly, it sounds like one of Yvette's lackies in "Most Haunted" on Travel Channel. Big joke she is. In one episode, a ****ing cat "meow'd" and Yvette was screaming "What was that?! What was that?!?!?" It was a ***damned cat, you ****face! Belief that something is happened is not evidence.

TAPS, even with the scripted stuff going on in "Ghost Hunters" is more believable than most of the **** that is out there on television as far as a the paranormal goes. SciFi seemingly wanted people to see a more legitimate side of Paranormal Investigation. "Most Haunted," "Celebrity Paranormal Project," "Ghost Adventures," "Scariest Places on Earth," and any other's I may have missed are one the polar opposite of what "Ghost Hunters" as a show puts out, and it's not 100% legit, since SciFi knows it has a money maker, so they script some of what goes on in the show. As supplementary income for TAPS and the International crew, they could tolerate their selling out. But as actual proof of finding things, it's an iffy program, and it does, indeed, cast doubt on how legit their finding's are.

I think ghosts and other supernatural beings do not exist.
This is just my personal opinion, and i don't want to insult anyone's beliefs.
I just think that most of the "supernatural" phenomenos usually linked with ghosts and such, are, most of the time, explainable with logic and wit, or in some cases, like sudden appearances of unexplainable things, could have to do with the person who witnessed said appearances. Someone who is sure of seeing something like a ghost can, with the time, remember the image of a "real" ghost. It happens sometimes, the mind can influence people's remembers or feelings.

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Blast wrote:Spirits exist. Ghosts do not.

You die, you get judged, whether you go to Sheol or the "bosom of Abraham", that's the end of the story. You don't come back (well, not for a while, obviously), and you don't linger.

If you seriously want to make an absolute statement like that, then you'd better be prepared to back it up. From my personal scientific observations, Ghosts follow the laws of conservation of mass, simply because energy cannot be destroyed, therefore when said energy is released, it comes in the form of brain-waves being released. Theoretically, we're already able to detect brain-waves via catscans; in which we're actually able to decipher what particular emotions may be registering within a person's brain. Therefore it can be hypothesized that ghosts/spirits are fragmentations of spiritual energy that have managed to-- through one form of electromagnetism or another-- piece itself back together.

The reason why they appear so incoherent to us, is simply because our eyes aren't nearly as attuned to detect the electromagnetic frequencies, that say an EMP-spectrometer would. That's why shows such as Ghost-Hunters are so successful, simply because they know what they're doing; they know what patterns to look for. For instance: if you go into a room with a lot of metal objects, or objects that give off an electromagnetic frequency: pipes, computers, televisions, etc., then it's probably not a very reliable location. However, a way of getting by that is also to look for the inconsistencies that happen to pop up when you're using an EM-Spectrometer, which more or less tends to occur in the form of EM-waves (Electromagnetic Waves) undulating around in a contrated area. The reason they undulate like that, is most likely due to the fact that EM-waves come in the form of waves of electrons (hence - electromagnetic and not proto magnetic waves).

To reiterate the last sentence in the first paragraph: a ghost/spirit is essentially composed of brain-waves that have been compressed into a semi-tangible form through one form of magnetism or another. Brain-waves are electromagnetic and are composed of waves of electrons, and since electrons repel other electrons away due to their negative charges, this means that whenever a spirit/ghost enters the area it exudes its own electromagnetic-field, causing all the electrons that would normally be flowing around them in the form of EM-waves to be repelled, which is what produces the undulating motion so often found on EM-spectrometers.

The paragraph as explained above is where most inconsistencies are detected, which is actually what you should be looking for when searching for ghosts/spirits. Most EM-waves tend to follow a fairly routine path, which is governed by the objects around them, therefore allowing you to form a standard statistical chart on what the norm is for EM-waves within that area. Simply put, as long as everything remains normal, then you probably don't have a spirit or ghost lurking around. If you do happen to have an inconsistency, I'd reccomend not jumping at it immediately, because as we all know there is such thing as faulty circuiting that can, in fact produce an inconsistency on the EM-spectrum.

Now, this is where you define whether or not it's a spirit or simply bad wiring in a building. When you find bad-wiring in a building, your EM-spectrometer will most likely be reading spontaneous bursts of electromagnetic activity. Why? Because when you have a bad wire, the electricity has to find the nearest source of material that is conducive to electrical currents (pipes, other wires, water, etc). The sudden jump in your EM-Spectrometer readings is due to said electricity 'jumping' from metal-object to another. The flow of electrons around another electromagnetic-field (that the ghost/spirit) is exuding is a far less volatile current, and allows for more consistency due to the fact, that the field that a ghost/spirit exudes is going to be nine out of ten times more stable.

Brain-waves are representations of thought-patterns that a person exudes, and as we all know thought-patterns are associated with the way a person thinks, and the way a person thinks is always associated with a person's personality, which, for the most part will remain stable and consistent, unless something comes along to disturb it via a traumatic event of some sort. This why Ghost-Hunters, and other such organizations, scientists, etc,. etc., look for the stable electromagnetic-fields that appear, and not the unstable ones, in order to properly confirm what they are seeing, and not act on their irrationalities, and secret-hopes, that maybe, just maybe they'll find a ghost.

So, after explaining all that, I can honestly say that I think Ghosts/Spirits do exist.

xMessiahx wrote:In our universe? No.
In other paralell universe'? Yes.
In our minds? Absolutely.

That's my opinion. And my reason for that last one, in our minds, is this.

Ghosts are, most likely, completely a creation of our imagination. If you went into a dark forest without the knowledge that something may be lurking in the dark, you probably wouldn't be very frightened(given you weren't scared of the dark). But if you returned to that very forest after being told somebody was going to kill you there, you'll probably begin to think that he's in there due to objects resembling a human figure. Even though nobody in there is out to get you, the fact that you think they will is enough to kick your subconscious into overdrive and act extremely cautiously.

Same goes for ghosts. At least, that's what I say.

Say you walk into a haunted house, thinking there's a ghost in there. A cup, which was precariously perched upon a ledge, falls to the ground and shatters. Immediatly, you pair up the knowledge of the cup breaking with the first thing in your mind: ghost. Therefor you come to the conclusion that a ghost pushed the cup. But could it not have been a coincidence that it fell due to being precariously perched?

There's no proof of ghosts, but there's no proof that they don't exist either, so it's really guesswork. I'm saying they don't exist in our universe.

That's really, (no offense) not a good way of defining whether or not a ghost exists or not. Parallel universes pretty much follow the same laws as any other universe, with the exception being that their histories are much different than the other. What, I think you were getting at, was that in another parallel universe the laws are different, which may allow a spirit/ghost to manifest itself on that particular plane, and thus make itself completely visible.

Also, as for the psychological part, not all people think the same way. For instance, I don't think that just because I hear about a ghost/spirit within a certain area, that one is there just because something out of the ordinary exists. I investigate it a little bit, check around, and then decide whether or not there's a spirit within an area. Though, I can understand your need to generalize the way people think, because without a general way of thinking, there really can't be a way of defining anything, because that's how definitions work.

Anyway, I hope that helps better explain the existence of ghosts/spirits within our universe.

Any questions, feel free to ask.

Hmm i remember one of my old teachers explaining ghosts in that way, if it is true that brain waves can peice themselves back togher, would it create a whole new life, like would it be possible that brainwaves could create a whole different life, or even and both of these is a long short, be able to enter a human's mind. I am clearly not as knowlegable on this subject and there is most definatively a big flaw that makes it impossible. I am not an Athiest, at least i dont want to be, the thought of my life ending forever and never even existing ever again keeps me up at night, but i hope that god (and i use that word to describe an entity that created the world) does exist, and until that entity gives me a sign of what faith to follow, then i will remain neutral, but maybe ghosts or spirits can not be explained, i have seen a ghost, or at least my mind created a ghost. Anyway dont really know why i posted just wanted to ask a question i guess

People who are raised on gospel, fast food and the media usually do not admit the existence of something that contradicts all of what they have been taught their whole life.I believe wholeheartedly in the existence of people and animals that have, in someway that is beyond human perception been trapped in a state of limbo. I also believe in the existence of multiple other "Supernatural Phenomena" this saying is also up for debate in my mind
because wouldn't something this spiritual be more natural then our materialistic world?

Anyways, I believe that ghosts are real, why?

In my mind this needs no scientific proof, how could something that relies on earthly limitations to gauge something grade something that is clearly not of this world?

I also believe that there have been far far far to many hauntings that have been recorded by men of god for this to be fake. Many people who are completely skeptic of Ghosts come in contact with some form of otherworldly being. That meaning anything from Ghosts to the Mothman (and yes i believe in him too)

It's common sense that when a whole town is recording strange happenings that they aren't all lying right?

Hit Them Hard Hit Them Fast. No Regrets, Just Guts And Steel,
Jack

For a bit of a background on me, I was raised to be a Christian my whole life, so its really the only religion I know without much of a hitch. My stepfather is a pastor (who doesn't believe) and my mother is a pastor's kid (who does believe, having had a few paranormal experiences herself). I'm agnostic.

I believe that spirits (ghosts, spectors, "angels", and "demons") are real. I've never really came in contact with any myself, so I don't have a real "proof" reason as to why, but it's what I believe. There are good, evil, and benevolent spirits be them from dead humans, dead animals, or creations of a Creator god.

What I always find interesting are those people that say they are Christians, and those with religions akin to Christianity (monotheism) and then say that ghosts and spirits aren't real; that nowhere in the bible/holy book does it state that these spirits can be real (aside from angels and demons, of course), as this was stated by my step father once. The hole in that thought is if there are no spirits or ghosts, then your third point of the trinity is false (in christianity) thus making the God and the son also false. To whole-heartedly denounce the existance of spirits/ghosts is to essentially denounce the existance of the spirit of living beings as well as the spirit of your God.