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On a separate note, I think the couple being hanged in the second picture are actually kind of cute. I'd totally do either one of them. Especially the one on the right.

Circ.

You could have edited the swearing out but no you decided to edit the whole thing. You're not supposed to do that.

Now then. Let people have opinions.

GhaKhas right Circ. You should have just removed the curse words but editing the whole thing is abuse of Global Mod power.

Guys, lets stay on topic. Any questions related to staff go in pm.

On another note, lol Omg Circ XD

GhaKha wrote:Circ.

You could have edited the swearing out but no you decided to edit the whole thing. You're not supposed to do that.

Now then. Let people have opinions.

your right.. i do apologize. i just feel strongly about this sort of thing.

This is why I'm atheist...

Using religion as an excuse for homophobia is pathetic. Why are there so many gay-bashers, and no ''thief-bashers'' and protests against other so-called ''sins''? Because they want to use their religion as an excuse to hate, hate, and hate.

I totally agree with you, CookieDough.

Isn't life just fantastic?

There are so many ways to die it's just hard to pick.

Death for your sexuality.

Here are many people with good hearts and good will and because of their sexuality, off with their heads. And I mean Ka-Pow.

Ooh la la. But what happens to the murderous heterosexuals? Do they whisk away to heaven? God surely LOVES them. (It's in the bible)

^ The above is sarcasm.

Do you know who I love? The people who kill homosexuals in the name of their God, but go against his will. You see, God made some nice little rules in his handy dandy bible. Ten Commandments. Now, if we all payed attention in church, we would know under those ten rules, Banishing/Killing homosexuals was indeed not one of them. But murder is. Oh yes. Murder murder murder.

And these aren't your quick, painless executions. Oh boy, these guys are putting gang hits on the gays. Victims of psychopaths are treated that harshly. I only read that kind of stuff in Stephen King novels.


I'm not 100% on the Homosexual's side.

On the religious point, God isn't happy with homosexuals. He wants for us to be fruitful and multiply. So if you are digging the God thing, know he doesn't exactly approve. He burned down the city of Sodom for the number of homosexuals. As Quagmire would say, "Two holes don't make a whole", Homosexuality isn't all for that reproduction 'thang'. Ka-Pow.

(Now now. Don't get all "God didn't tell you this, or God didn't say that" on me. He did say so. Read the bible you guys all too readily refer to. )

I do believe if we had more of you guys, our population would come to a stand still, and slowly decrease. If you guys had a natural way to reproduce, then that would be super. But you do not. I do not mind Homosexuals but it's a 'Trouble Ahead' sign flickering in my head. Don't take this into offense. No really. Don't. I do not want any of my children to be gay. (I'd prefer not to have my family gay either) But if they turn out to be, I won't itch or moan or hate them. The point that I'm trying to make is... I WANT GRANDCHILDREN. And I want my grandchildren to have grandchildren. I would be really depressed if my children turned out to be gay, but I would never love them any less. My love for family is unconditional.

As for Homophobia, I guess I have a small case of it. I don't care if my friends are gay. I really don't. But I fear so much (As stated above) that my children will be gay. I really do not want them to be gay. I want my blood to be passed down.

I guess maybe some homophobes have my same fear, or their fear is for the population of the earth. Whatever the case, if it deals with fear I can't judge them for it. If it's prejudice and all of that nice stuff, then they are jerks. But if they fall into that category of 'fearful' homophobes, then what do you do? Hate them for their fear? What about people who are claustrophobic? They fear closed spaces. I can't judge someone for their fears, no matter how silly it may be.

My opinions on Homosexuality and Homophobia,

A Heterosexual Atheist.

I'm gonna respond to Baby's post cause I can!

At this point of humanity, being able to reproduce; not such a great thing! The planet is over populated and resources are getting used up really quickly. Are we screwed? Maybe. Will there be a solution to save our asses? Maybe. Who knows?

An issue I have is that we are gay, not sterile. We can't have kids by accident, but if we really want kids, we can. There are options open to us. I think everyone should have to go through as much of a thought process as we do to reproduce, because then our schools wouldn't be over run cause Gomer Pyle don't like no condom when he is with his lady or the couple on every assistance known to man pops out another bundle of joy because they get more money or because they don't have to pay for it.

And Baby, I hope you get the grandkids you are wanting, because it truly is a blessing to have a grandparent who wants you. I wouldn't know from personal experience (no, not cause I'm a homo, but because my grandparents suck), but I hear it is really nice.

Something else to keep in mind, and this is for everyone: when someone you love or know comes out, don't think about how it affects you. For a good minute, try to imagine what that person is going through at that moment. Fear, embarrassment, disappointment, all kinds of shit is going on in their heads. Then for thirty seconds more, think about their future. They will have to deal with being different, with discrimination and general terror every time someone looks at them in a strange manner.

After giving them their minute and a half, go ahead and have your feelings and/or opinions about them. remember that you may have different feelings about them, but they feel the same they always have towards you.

I'd first like to point out,
Christianity has nothing against Gays
And with that being said, I can move on. Now, there are Christians that are against Gays, but just because I say "I'm a Christian!" doesn't mean that I'm Anti-Gay. My opinion on gays is pretty much 'Go be gay, just don't do it with me.' I really don't care if you're gay or not, that doesn't change my opinion of you. Yeah it's a little awkward, the first thought in my head is 'Oh please don't let him like me...' Simply because I'm not gay!
If you feel like being gay, go ahead! But seeing that it doesn't affect me much, I don't actively think about it.

In my opinion, there is no such thing as 'Homophobia'.
People don't dislike them because they're gay, they're different and therefore that makes them awkward to be around. You don't have any common ground because mainstream media has fed you all this crap about Homosexuals being total freaks! They just aren't like most people, and then everybody goes pointing fingers at different groups simply because people within the groups have done things against gays.
I've seen and Atheist punch a man because he was gay, does that mean Atheists all hate gays? Of course not! Several of the people that posted here on this thread were Atheists or Pagans, but does that mean all Atheists and Pagans are Pro-Gay? No!
Christians aren't all Anti-Gay. The entire Calvary Assembly of God church here has not a single problem with gays. Never was there a word from the preacher's mouth about gays, in any form. The bible doesn't touch on them very much.
Someone earlier on in the thread mentioned the city of Sodom.
The city of Sodom was destroyed because of the sin that was there.

Genesis 19
1 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 "My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning."
"No," they answered, "we will spend the night in the square."
3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."

6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof."

9 "Get out of our way," they replied. And they said, "This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We'll treat you worse than them." They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.

Now according to that, the city was not destroyed because the men were homosexual, the city was destroyed because of the sin in it! The bible never said it was destroyed because gays lived there, it was destroyed because it was filled with sin. Those men outside Lot's house were trying to rape those angels the lord sent. Don't you think that's a little different?


For five years I pretty much lived with a lesbian couple. They were the greatest people ever, they were nice, kind, and in general, they loved each other! I stayed around them all the time, and there wasn't anything wrong with them! A whole five years, and not one time was I ever offended by them or any of their homosexual friends that came by. They'd come through the front door and I'd be there to hug them both and say hello.
I had no problems with them, I stayed at their house many times, I overheard things I don't exactly want to think a whole lot on (Ewww.... They were bordering forty you know. XP)
But, they felt like family to me! And if anybody has a problem with homosexuals, display it in a dignified, civilized way. There are better ways of coping with things than violence.

I h I've contributed something noteworthy and smoothed out a few things.

In my opinion, there is no such thing as 'Homophobia'.

Look it up, bud; it's a real thing. It's the unreasonable fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals or homosexuality, according to the dictionary. If you think that doesn't exist, where have you been living all your life? Cuz it certainly hasn't been Earth. There are people who dislike other people for the sole reason that they are gay. I know a couple of them. They do not hate women, they do not hate blacks, latinos, asians, middle easterners, or any other racial group, they do not think of the Bororo as savages, and yet they hate gay people. Homophobia.

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*looks around, and reads some of the posts*

Well, considering I've never been one for long messages anywhere, really, I'll put it simply:

I couldn't care less.

Don't take that in a bad way, I don't hate anyone, I just don't care. It's just so long as homosexuals realize that their rights end at the end of their nose, but if they force it one people, then I have a problem with it, just like I do with any other ideology being forced onto someone. Otherwise, keeping it to yourself, I haven't a single problem with it. However, those of you who might try and find fault with me by saying,

"But you have no problem seeing straight people showing their affection in public?"

Well, actually, yes, I do. I just don't want to see that kind of stuff, period. Just hold it in, people are trying to eat in restaurants, enjoy shopping, or watching a movie or whatever else, just please, hold the romance in until you get home, I just don't want to see other people's lives in public.

Take it easy, from your friendly neighborhood fascist,

-Otto

But if you think that way then you cant heterosexual couples kiss in public either. Otto is our first candidate for a homophobe.

StandardFiend wrote:

In my opinion, there is no such thing as 'Homophobia'.

Look it up, bud; it's a real thing. It's the unreasonable fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals or homosexuality, according to the dictionary. If you think that doesn't exist, where have you been living all your life? Cuz it certainly hasn't been Earth. There are people who dislike other people for the sole reason that they are gay. I know a couple of them. They do not hate women, they do not hate blacks, latinos, asians, middle easterners, or any other racial group, they do not think of the Bororo as savages, and yet they hate gay people. Homophobia.

@ StandardFiend ^ No, like seriously? Did we just go all dictionary on peoples arses?

@Eastep But all in all. There is such a thing. And if you read my whole post 'Thang' my reasons if for my blood to be passed down. I fear for my blood. It may not seem much to you, and honestly, I don't care if it does. I love my family and I love how we were raised and our strong heritage. I don't want to adopt or anything like that. I want my children to come out of my womb, kicking and screaming if they want to. If they are gay, sucks for me. If they are not, kudos! I get to keep the family line running.

"Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah --from the LORD out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities --and also the vegetation in the land." Genesis 19:24, 25 NIV)

And dude. No seriously. Dude. You made me look that up? I'm so lazy ;.;
Ok, whichever book you read it from (old or new) if the Jewish/Christian head explains it, or if you go into bigger detail with the people who study that 'thang' like there's no tomorrow, it was indeed the sin which was homosexuality. It wasn't exactly rape because "8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them."

What?! He offered virgin daughters! And they can do what they like to them? From what I heard, taking someones virginity HURTS. And he offered for them to do what they friggin like. That means, if they shout and cry, it's still good. But they wanted the men.

And here's another fine line from the words of people who eat bibles for breakfast.
"This is not giving us liberty to call things sin that God has been very specific on, but there are a lot of hard things that have a tremendous public peer pressure to not call sin or wrong. For example, homosexuality is sin. Sodom and Gomorrah's sin was one of sodomity. This has to be condemned." (Bonus! City of Sodom was either burned down for SODOMity or rape. Hmmmm......)

Dude. Recap. Lot offered two virgin daughters to men of all ages for whatever they want. Against their will or not. Rape is out of the question. The sin is sodomity and god rained down fricking burning sulfur. Can you believe that??? Can you friggin believe that?? Burning sulfur! Ow! I cried over getting my pinky toe licked by a small match fire. And God rained down burning sulfur?

I am an atheist. But I read and study some fine points of the bible. That is one of them.

Also. The Roman Catholics have a problem with homosexuality. My family's religion is Episcopalian. They are like the liberals of Christianity. My sister changed to RC because Episcopalians was too flexible with the WOTL(Word Of The Lord) on such a case as homosexuality. Oh my gosh. I'm flying off the handle here!

If you still argue that homosexuality isn't against God's will even when he said to be 'Fruitful and Multiply' and I clarified the meanings of said passages above then I will not argue back. I'll just look over it no matter what you say, because it would just be moot. And I don't want any bad feelings as well. (If you MUST debate back, PM would be called for.)

@ Crain- Grandparents are fantastic. I have had my share of bad ones. But I have had real blood grandparents that are wonderful and psuedo ones that are just as amazing.

And of course I think about my kids wants and how the world will react to them. I am very protective of people and things I care about. If someone were to hurt my precious child because of his/her sexuality, I would go crazy. I would have to take chill pills or something. Gay or not, they are my children and I'll eat burning coals before I stand by and let them get hurt for undeserved reasons.

@Aniihya I am the first candidate of a homophobe. Lol. I just said I kinda am. Leave Apathetic Otto alone.

hehe... you guys are riduculous.

@baby: you said the god wants us to be fruitful and to mulitply.

but doesnt it say in the bible that Adultery I.E Sex is a sin? if Adam and Eve had never broken the rule there would be only 2 people on the world am i right?

i don't know. i think im just going to stray FAR away from christanity. it's too confusing for me.

Adultery=voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than his or her lawful spouse.

He doesn't banish sex. He banishes cheating. Lol. And if you want to stray from Christianity, why would you talk about it in the first place?

becuase i was trying to get a point across. its funny how you guys talk about him as if you actually know what he says and does.

I told you what Adultery meant, thus killing whatever point you were trying to make.

(Ok I reread this post and I know I sound like a B-Word, but when I debate I like to be serious about it. Sorry.)

i dont think you do. i have no intention to disrepect you. im just telling you how i feel. and in no way am i one of "those" people.

however i will take your thoughts into consideration and look at it from a different angle. and maybe i should re-read the bible lol.

Alright, no adultery-- what about incest? If it was just Adam and Eve, someone fucked a daughter somewhere along the line.

Back to the main point, I don't know what I am religion-wise. I believe in God, yes, but I don't really agree with religion... It's not agnosticism because I do attend church, if only to share the fraction of bread.

I guess the motley mash of beliefs helps me have a clear head on this, because I don't think homosexuality is, or will ever be, considerably depopulating. With that said, I believe they should be free to marry, but not religiously, only civil marriage. They're still people, they're worth just as much as anybody else.

Even if it were some huge crime, there is way bigger stuff out there. Maybe there's no commandment, but I say killing people to prove your God's stronger, to get oil, to expand your country is far more ignominious than homosexuals.

Tl;dr, homosexuality is ok, not good or bad.

You cannot argue against gays.

Because they do not choose to be gay, and you cannot teach someone to be gay. It's in your hormones.

Do not forget that. It's like being black. Biologically, I am correct.