Hey guys, and girls. This was just something that I really wanted to talk about...and has always bother me and always will. I feel as though it does need to be talked about because its spreading and growing all over the world, and people are getting hurt...killed for something that they really just can't control...being gay.

I am a Homosexual. I realized this a long time ago, and only came out to everyone like 3 years. And though it seems that before I came out, people treated me worse calling me a 'fagot' or saying I was gay because of the way I talked and acted, now that I'm out people don't taunt me as much any more. Though, people are being murdered because of Homophobia.

ho·mo·pho·bia- irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.

Now upon coming out to everyone that I was Gay, I started watching more videos over Homophobia to 'prepare' myself for the world. To know exactly what I was going to be up against because of this fact about me. And to be honest, GLBT people are being murdered and treated unfairly for stupid reasons. Just because someone feels uncomfortable with them it gives them the right to tease and Taunt them? Homophobia is spreads unconsciously... Like using the term 'Thats So Gay', I'm sorry but that spreads Homophobia, though you might have grown use to it, it just proves that society sees gay people as 'Bad', 'Stupid', or what every it is you are replaying with Gay. For a while this bothered me inside when people who WEREN'T my friends said it, then I stopped caring, then people who where my friends started to say it...and it started to bother me again...And I dont have stupid reasons why it bothers me, it just doesn't make since why you replace whatever it is with the word gay...and my friends have even said to me "Oh..I mean...Gay is in the bad way...Not gay is in you the good way.", like they try to apologize for using something degrading to Gay people....yet they still use it.

People say that you are born gay and people say that its a choice. A think both of these are stupid, to be honest. NUMBER ONE, who is born with sexuality??????? People are born with genders, Infants don't have the ability to talk let alone think think about who they want to have a relationship with. and TWO its not a choice to be gay, people don't just chose to be hated by society. I believe that its the occurrences that happen in your life, things that happen, and things that can never be changed because it already happened...Now, it is possible that a male can be born with more estrogen and a female with more testosterone, though that would just make them seem more masculine or feminine, it can't chose a sexuality.

I've also had religion thrown at me oh so many times. People showed me different, things in the bible(Which was not made by God) that said that gay people are going to hell...well then...that means that people who had sex with out marriage...people who masturbate...people who GET DRUNK....Incest...Divorced and or remarried, will go to hell as well, along with all the other sins the bible states... In that case, there must only be like 5 people in heaven, because no one is perfect. I have to say this though, I know that I'm going to Heaven. Period, I don't give a shit about what anyone(Or bible that God Him/herself made)has to say about it. Because God loves me and I love God and that all I need to run on.

Though I want to go back to Hate Crimes for being Homosexual. Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw9zJq0QGl0

This Video shows only a few of the GLBT people who where killed or committed suicide because they where gay...or couldn't stand to bare living the life they knew brought their family to shame.

One of my personal favorite people to watch is Chris Crocker, 'The Leave Britney Alone' guy. Did you know he made more then just that video? Well he does. And I believe he is funny and genius, though if you look at the Comments that where left for him. Most of them where death threats, telling him he should commit suicide, or targeting all gay people...because of one man. And which leads me to the Media...

Did you know that there were where gay TEAMS? Like Basketball, Football, Soccer, ect.? No. Because you never see it on T.v. or in Movies. The Media has kept the same stereotypical that tells everyone that all gay men talk in high pitch voices, walk like women, and where female-like clothing, and all Lesbians have short hair cuts, have lots of tattoos, and where baggy clothes. Though sexuality has nothing to do with the way you act, its the way you see yourself, what makes you happy inside...I like guys. And I rather sit down and play Shooter and Fantasy games then go to a Gay bar. Or go to Comic con then to see a Broadway musical. I'm a GAMER, and damn proud of it. Just because I'm gay I don't where makeup, or dress pretty. Though If I do see a gay person who does I won't neglect them....Like how some of the Heterosexual community neglects any guy with a good fashion sense or any girl who just wants to play basketball...Just labeling them.

A few photos that shows how bad it gets.







I would like to know what you think about Homosexuality AND Homophobia. Your views on why you are against either one, and why you think the other one is okay. If you can provide any evidence that can be dissected and used, that would be nice as well.

I completely agree with you in every way. I am not gay myself, but I would never, EVER treat another human being that way and especially not over something so small and insignificant to other people's lives. And gay or not, I wouldnt want to be trated that way.You are not bothering anyone. And I believe that basing someone's right in a religious document is a sad excuse for a law. Religion should not be a code for anything, anywhere. We're all ready to side with the Bible until a Christmas tree in the middle of Times Square offends someone.

Anyhow, I really empathize with you. It's so very screwed up, what are we to do?

-R.o.T.

Cookies I completely agree with you. I am not gay myself but I do have a friend that was gay when I first became friends with him... He is now bysexual. If I ever meet someone that hates gays and discriminates against them... They should run and leave the country. I will not use them as a punching bag... I'll use them as a meat bag, I'll beat them, then pull out a hunting kinfe and carve them. Of course this all depends on certain variables, like: wether or not they are harrasing a friend of mine, and what they are doing(are they writing 'fags deserve to die on my friends house?). Although I dout I would pull out a knife and carve up the person. With the damage I would leave, I would reopen the insane asylum's, and as much of an acomplishment that would be for me, I would still prefer not tobe the cause of that... Heh heh... ^_^;

Sorry for all that. Heh heh... Do I sound insane or like an idiot? Cause frankly neither one is good... T_T

Hiya Cookie. I am a Christian. Have been for most of my life, but the honest truth is that people, like the ones in the picture above piss me off. God doesn't hate anyone for one, and if he did, he would hate all of us. The Bible does not support homosexuality, but at the same time it does support a lot of the things I do. I don't think anyone has the right to judge anyone else, because in the end we all do things in our lives that someone somewhere thinks is wrong or disagrees with. everyone has a right to believe what they want and must make such decisions for themselves. I myself do not do everything the Bible says and frankly thats my decision. To those people that do call out gay people and mock, belittle, and even hurt them, the bible says that we are to love everyone, no matter who they are, like ourselves. So if you want to use the Bible as the basis your arguement then read the parable of the splinter and mote. For those who do not know what this is, the moral is basically that we should not worry about trying to change others, because we often have things that we need to change in our own lives.

Whether someone is gay,straight, christian, budist, prowar, against war, Or w/e. Thats their choice. Gay people are not hurting anyone. I wish people would just drop all the racism, prejudice, and hate. Gay people are not a plague to society. The people that are going around hurt and murdering them are the plague. They are the ones that are killing are world. I want everyone to know that not everyone that claims to be a Christian hates gay people. I for one see them as people. People that deserve to be treated as anyone else. I'm behind you Cookie.

I am also a homosexual, and I am married to a wonderful man. I have been very fortunate in my life to be surrounded with loving people. My parents had (are having) a difficult time with my lifestyle not because of who I am, but because of what it means for me; a lifetime of persecution.

The only real problem I have is my older brother, who has been calling me a fag and queer since i was what...7? I have tried to accept him, and 'turn the other cheek' but I only have so many cheeks to offer. I disowned him. I have a great group of friends I am completely comfortable with, my husband and I can kiss and hold hands or just sit close in any of their homes, and they see us as a couple, not two men.

I will admit, i refer to things being gay myself. And I have heard my friends use it, and when they remember who they are with, they stare at me all wide-eyed and apologize, and I just laugh. Or i milk it a bit, acting offended until i can't hold in the laughter anymore. I refer to myself as a homo or a mo, and i carry these titles with pride, because a lot of people have suffered so that I can be proud of who I am, regardless of who I sleep with.

As for th religious aspects, I first want to refer to a scene from "Prayers for Bobby," where the mom of a gay son who has committed suicide goes to a preacher who ministers to the homosexual community and points out passages from the bible stating that men shouldn't sleep together and those who do should be killed. The preacher replies that the bible also says that children who disobey their parents should also be killed, a practice we do not follow today.

And like you said, Cookie, if the bible is correct, and only the perfect people go to heaven, then sign me up for hell, cause Heaven is gonna be boring. Plus, then I can be with my friends!

I am also not the flouncing type of homosexual. I love wearing my guy clothes, and being a man. My husband is manly, and i wouldn't have him any other way. I like musicals, mostly, but i also love my video games and comics. Not so much to go to comicon, but I do enjoy them.

Homophobia is one of three things; an intense desire to follow the outdated rules scribed hundreds of years ago into a book originally meant to be a guideline; ignorance and misconception over what it means to be gay or homosexual, due to media or popular misconception (i.e. gay men want to sleep with all men and want to stick gerbils up their bums); or it is the terror of possible being gay yourself and so you rebel against it in an effort to prove that you are not what you hate. If i hate gays so much, i cant possibly be one, SEE!!

There is my five cents worth. Totally, brothers and sisters.

General Kane, my veiw of you could not be lessened unless you started becoming the people in those pics. Then I would have to find you and kick your ass. But you have your beleifes and you stick to them, hopefully without being a jack ass about it, and I for one respect that.

Dear friends, please keep it civil, no matter what your belief(s) is!

... As for my own, I am a heterosexual Christian, and attend the Assemblies of God church, which apparently is regarded as the most fundamentalist mainstream Christian sect out there. Personally, I am very liberal and open-minded (go figure! the contradictions of my life. . . ) and have absolutely nothing against homosexuals. Some of my closest friends are homosexual.

And stereotyping anyone based on one fact about them invariably leads to incorrect assumptions. For instance, if you stereotyped me based on the fact that I write depressing poetry, and decide that I must be an emo type, that would be wrong. IF you stereotyped me based on the fact that I attend an AG church, and decide I must be a Christian fundamentalist homophobic type, you'd be wrong again. If you stereotyped me based on the fact that the character I roleplay with most in Chat is of Islamic origins, extremely angsty, and a wanted fugitive, and you drew the conclusion that I was looking for some ill-deserved attention, you would be wrong.

My friends, stereotyping in and of itself is something inherent to us, through the gift of cognitive bias. Unfortunately, it is the way we allow these stereotypes to shape our world and worldview, and how we act upon them, that turn them into something to consider warily. Hate and attacks on any group of persons have been organized throughout the decades, out of ignorance and fear. We fear what we do not understand (others), what is different from us (others), and that over which we have no control (others - we control only our own thoughts, beliefs and actions). Some cope with fear by transforming it into hatred and anger.

Destroy what you fear and there will be no fear. Supposedly.

It is sad to see so many degenerate into this cycle of vicious violence and hatred, but the world is not perfect, and neither are we, nor shall we ever be. Just my two cents.

matthew0416 wrote:Hiya Cookie. I am a Christian. Have been for most of my life, but the honest truth is that people, like the ones in the picture above piss me off. God doesn't hate anyone for one, and if he did, he would hate all of us...

God hates everyone and everything

matthew0416 wrote: The Bible does not support homosexuality, but at the same time it does support a lot of the things I do

Prove it.



As for keeping on topic!

There's one universal truth in the world. Assholes are everywhere. It doesn't matter how backwards a country you find, or how nice everyone would appear in a town, assholes are absolutely EVERYWHERE.

But trust me when I say this, the good in the world FAR outweighs any bad.

Really, if you come across a strong Homophobe in where ever you go in your days, I'll bet you that for just that one asshole -- theres a five more good people who would defend you just around the corner.

Anyways, I'm going to end up losing my train of thought if I keep going so yeah.

Peace Out n' stuff.

I am a Christian and I try very hard to live by Matthew 7:1 -- "Judge not, that ye be not judged." In other words, I'm human, and what other humans do is their business. Plus, it's really bad form to tell people how to live in the U.S., a nation founded on freedom.

The reason I don't make a point of advertising my religion is not that I'm ashamed of Christ, but that I'm ashamed of some Christians; specifically, guys like those.

I am a pagan bisexual. Where I live (Germany) homophobia is a rare sight. The only people here who are homophobic are skinheads which are very few. I support human rights. So does my political party. Germans out there vote for FDP because Westerwelle (Chairman of FDP who came out a couple years ago) definitely supports human right.
Smeagle: The US claims to have freedom but some states dont even support interracial marriage. For now, the freest, most liberal country in the world is the Netherlands.

People just need to take a look at human history to realise attitudes like this started slavery, holy wars, genocides, etc. I respect homosexuals, especially those like you who are willing to face the world and tell us, and I simply cannot wrap my mind around what these homophobes are thinking. You'd think that in the modern world people would have to be more open minded, but you see stuff like this all the time, not just with homosexuals. When the 9/11 thing happened, perfectly innocent Muslims and Arabs were beaten and murdered.

And no offense meant to Smeagle or other Christians, but Christians have been the root of at the very least 50% of all of this stuff, and other religions the other half. Would we have had slavery in the US without Christianity? Probably not. Would we have had the crusades? Nope. The Salem Witch Trials? Forget it. And those are just a couple examples; if I looked into history more deeply I guarantee I could list items until my fingers bled from typing. And today, it's mostly Christians that are against the homosexuals. Just look at one of those pictures: "God hates fags." Seriously, what is wrong with that religion? Do the priests stand up on their podiums and preach hatred and prejudice these days? I certainly don't remember that happening when I used to go to church. That is why I abhor and denounce all religion.

And I'd say that the homophobes and murderers are the ones that need to die, but that would be dignifying their position by stooping to their level.

No. I am not locking this, but I am watching it to make sure the flames don't start. So keep any personal attacks to a null factor.

I have actually found it funny how many guys are hypocritical homophobes. Guyxguy? Bad. Girlxgirl? Good. Hypocrites. Keep to your guns or don't strap them on at all.

Now not all guys are like this (girls too). Some just hate equally. Especially the 'godhatesfags', AKA westboro baptist church.

GhaKha wrote:

matthew0416 wrote:Hiya Cookie. I am a Christian. Have been for most of my life, but the honest truth is that people, like the ones in the picture above piss me off. God doesn't hate anyone for one, and if he did, he would hate all of us...

God hates everyone and everything

matthew0416 wrote: The Bible does not support homosexuality, but at the same time it does support a lot of the things I do

Prove it.



As for keeping on topic!

There's one universal truth in the world. Assholes are everywhere. It doesn't matter how backwards a country you find, or how nice everyone would appear in a town, assholes are absolutely EVERYWHERE.

But trust me when I say this, the good in the world FAR outweighs any bad.

Really, if you come across a strong Homophobe in where ever you go in your days, I'll bet you that for just that one asshole -- theres a five more good people who would defend you just around the corner.

Anyways, I'm going to end up losing my train of thought if I keep going so yeah.

Peace Out n' stuff.

Gha Kah you should be ashamed of yourslef. who are you to say what god like or doesn't. it infurates me when people show such a disrepect and ignorance! my brother is gay and i myslef and bi so you could say i am definalty PRO-gay. i just hate when people say GOD HATE FAGS. which is a very hurtful word and how do you know????

did god personally tell you this? it is true that it says in the bibles the homosexuallty is a sin but it ALSO says that procreation and adultery is a sin. so for me i think i am steering away from Christianity and moving toward Paganism only because i feel the christian faith is very contradictory but that just my own personal view so don't attack me. gays in this site you should feel proud you are the way you are. forget the idotic sayings of others let it bounce off of you. pay NO heed.

GoddessReborn: I am a pagan but I dont stereotype christians like that anymore. But still monotheism in general is bad.
StandardFiend: Slavery existed at times of Roman pagans and even before that. Christianity isnt at fault for everything. Its just at fault for most things.

Hello. My family grew up in a Christian home so as you can guess that I am Christian. However, two of my cousins are gay. One is bi-sexual and one is completely gay and I don't have a problem with this. As much as I support my religion I believe that people shouldn't be judged for their sexuality or race or anything like that. It saddens me because my cousin that is gay will not come out of the closet because he fears what my family may have to say about this. I have let him know that I am one hundred percent behind him. Even though I myself am not gay I feel the heat from some of my family members because I am Pro-Gay. I may not agree with any of what they have to say but I do respect their opinions because they are just that. Opinions. Individual thoughts that people think. In my school we are starting up a campaign thing against homosexuality and I'm hoping in the years to come we can eliminate most of it and live in a world where everyone is accepted.

- Kiana

Standard Fiend wrote: And no offense meant to Smeagle or other Christians, but Christians have been the root of at the very least 50% of all of this stuff, and other religions the other half. Would we have had slavery in the US without Christianity? Probably not. Would we have had the crusades? Nope. The Salem Witch Trials? Forget it. And those are just a couple examples; if I looked into history more deeply I guarantee I could list items until my fingers bled from typing. And today, it's mostly Christians that are against the homosexuals. Just look at one of those pictures: "God hates fags." Seriously, what is wrong with that religion? Do the priests stand up on their podiums and preach hatred and prejudice these days? I certainly don't remember that happening when I used to go to church. That is why I abhor and denounce all religion.

(I hope I spelled your username correctly, user quoted above! *points* )

I agree with you point. (Many) Christians are some of the most hypocritical people I know, and religion, in my experience, is one of the biggest promoters of hatred, fear, intolerance, and prejudice.

. . .I really don't like religion. Something I like to say, personally, is that I abandoned religion in order to find God. I'm a sellout from religion - I went looking for God. And, at least in my own perspective, God is universal and loves all. . . I try to judge no one; it doesn't fit with my personal beliefs. I support equal rights for everyone!

But seriously, it's always the religious conservatives who oppose all progress towards human rights, etc. They promote bigotry, prejudice, restrictions on freedom, and hypocrisy in their own lives. . . I really dislike these people. That's not to say I dislike all conservatives or think all of them are like this (that too would be stereotyping/prejudice). Some of my friends are very conservative. . . and if I really disliked them, they wouldn't be my friends.

All in all, I try to live my life to be kind and compassionate to everyone, and judging no one, and seeing everyone as equal in value and beauty. I'm a pacifist by nature. I hate conflict.

I'm been reading the post and actually agree with many of you that say Christians are the root of many problems. Christians( there are many sects and groups included under this title) are definitely the biggest contributors to hate, fear, and prejudice. Trust me, its not exclussively against gays and others Christians deem evil. I've even seen such prejudice against other church, even church that are of the smae belief and name. I dislike many of the people in my church because they are the exact types of Christians that have been mentioned above(hypocritical, prejudice, haters, and fake). Religion is a dangerous and hurtful thing. I do not claim religion. I don't believe religion gets us anywhere. Whatever we believe in need to not be religion, but rather a lifestyle. Everyones different and has a diffeent life style. If you disagree with one persons life style then so what. Get over it. THe fact that guyxguy relationsships are attacked so much more than girlxgirl relationships proves the hypocricy and the selfishness of this world we live on. I support anyone who chooses a different lifestyle then I. This doesn't just include those who are gay, but those who choose a different religion, a different lifestyle, or whatever. Its these difference that make us special. I believe that God does love us. He wouldn't of made us if he didn't love us( if you disagree then thats your choice and I won't argue with you). I hope everyone has a good day!

HAve a wonderful day everyone, and live to better the planet you live on.

TheGoddessReborn wrote:

GhaKha wrote:

matthew0416 wrote:Hiya Cookie. I am a Christian. Have been for most of my life, but the honest truth is that people, like the ones in the picture above piss me off. God doesn't hate anyone for one, and if he did, he would hate all of us...

God hates everyone and everything

matthew0416 wrote: The Bible does not support homosexuality, but at the same time it does support a lot of the things I do

Prove it.



As for keeping on topic!

There's one universal truth in the world. Assholes are everywhere. It doesn't matter how backwards a country you find, or how nice everyone would appear in a town, assholes are absolutely EVERYWHERE.

But trust me when I say this, the good in the world FAR outweighs any bad.

Really, if you come across a strong Homophobe in where ever you go in your days, I'll bet you that for just that one asshole -- theres a five more good people who would defend you just around the corner.

Anyways, I'm going to end up losing my train of thought if I keep going so yeah.

Peace Out n' stuff.

Gha Kah you should be ashamed of yourslef. who are you to say what god like or doesn't. it infurates me when people show such a disrepect and ignorance! my brother is gay and i myslef and bi so you could say i am definalty PRO-gay. i just hate when people say GOD HATE FAGS. which is a very hurtful word and how do you know????

did god personally tell you this? it is true that it says in the bibles the homosexuallty is a sin but it ALSO says that procreation and adultery is a sin. so for me i think i am steering away from Christianity and moving toward Paganism only because i feel the christian faith is very contradictory but that just my own personal view so don't attack me. gays in this site you should feel proud you are the way you are. forget the idotic sayings of others let it bounce off of you. pay NO heed.

Edited to remove hostility: It is my opinion, based on the lack of empirical evidence, that god does not exist; another evidence if this is my belief that, if he did, god would put an end to hate, wars, and murder.

Edit:

No use saying what I did before, as Circ modified the quoted post...

Those people that are ignorantly mocking the gay community simply sicken me.

I am not gay myself and live in a community where sadly, homophobia runs unchecked. But to have the unbias fear is completely irrational. Nothing that the gay community can do will affect your life of affect anything around you because of their orientation. This is a simple public persecution that I believe we will soon get over, as we are making strides to do. This seems strangely reminicent of black rights back then. They were not allowed certain privliges and many martyrs stood up. But now something is changing, it is becoming more socially acceptable to come out with it.

Back on topic, I really dispise people with this blind prejudice. I cannot speak to the factor in religon in this matter. I have never been a religous man in my life but I cannot fathom a religon telling you to persecute blindly. Most religons preach a loving god, so shouldn't you be trying to spread that? And last I checked it was none of your business to see if a group of people went to hell or to heaven. Leave preaching to people who come to church for help.

Your sexual orientation has nothing to do with your character or personality. People cannot see past the steriotype that has been built up over the years. You are no less of a person if you are gay straight or afraid of people all together. You are here, you are a human bieng, you can choose your own personality based on your own trials and tribulations.

I'll conclude with my own philosiphy: It doesn't affect my life, why should I affect theirs?