How many times do I need to ask you people not to antagonize one another. Please be a decent human being and take it to the PMs instead of keeping your arguments in the saftey of the public.

I also agree with Skullgram, I don't roleplay with new people. I may be new to Roleplaygateway but I've been RPing for a while.

smileythemask: Take this to PM, like people asked other earlier of debates. There is no point to this argument other than trying to troll chulance. Move along.

edit: chulance, to the PM as well with you!

Hold on can I respond if not? I'm not angry by the way I stated Cabbon wouldn't use his ultimate power often at least in player vs player combat and I actually avoided combat with him. And last but not least you could have dodged and I simply threw attacks at you. You also could have overrided the system infact you can go post him doing so.

I agree with Skallagrim that MS/GS is a common symptom of uncooperative writing, but I think it's a result of a misunderstanding how writing works generally and not just RPs, as shown by the fact that exactly the same phenomenon happens in individual writing and with just as disastrous consequences. It's just misunderstanding the character's place in the story.

I do RP with new players, because that's the best way to make new players into good ones, but it's often a compromise between that and maximising fun.

Personally, I think it's better for newer writers/roleplayers to take part in a story (be it 1x1 or multiple) with a few RP vets. They're like puppies; A good, strong influence early on will be better off for them in the long run. Instead of introducing them to roleplaying with one-lining, inexperienced players, why not give them a taste of what's expected from a good writer; long, fleshed out posts, developed characters, etc?

Yes, but there are a few hopeless causes. That's not to say that there aren't people with great potential. But, my vast impatience usually prevents me from taking the time to de-sue a n00b. This is usually limited to my close friends, the likes of which I can only deal with for so long.

So I suppose it all depends on whos willing to help the new kid.

Some times, the newbie learns just from watching. My first decent roleplay was created when I was still a neophyte to the ways of good roleplaying (it was a first-time thing for me), and seeing as I'd come fresh out of your typical failure RP with bad players and short posts, a lot of my earlier contributions were peppered with simplistic notation-- it wasn't unusual to stumble across a one-liner, for example. However, ShadowWake and Okugi99, two excellent RP veterans, joined my roleplay and stayed on despite the clear inexperience of the GM; they didn't offer tutelage or point out flaws, but from the higher quality of their posts, I gleaned after some time what I ought to change, and RPing evolved into actual story-writing after their influence.

I'm all for helping out the newbies, even though I'm only a few months into this myself. I learned by watching too! I just recall having posts that barely reached the 75 word limit and some time later, 500/8-900 worded replies for casual and serious games respectively. I think most stick to their little groups and one liners because they find it fun, and the Roleplay Academy is pretty dead. We may benefit more from an official tutor-student system but I dunno how one could implement that - I've seen the academy site but eh...

It's a matter of sticking our hands in the mud, maybe having forums separated by levels of literacy as they do on another site. We can't complain about the Twilight/elemental school/etcetera games flooding if we're not doing anything about it, right? Let's show them the way! To arms brothers, let us join newbie roleplays and make them grow!

I find that newbies tend to not stay newbies for very long. Even the least observant of them pick up some good roleplaying habits over time, and the ones who don't can always be taught directly through a roleplay. Newbies in roleplays can bring some really interesting and unique ideas that some of the older, jaded members may have trouble finding in their mind's dusty attic. There's lots of good reasons to involve newbies in roleplays, it's just getting over the feeling that they're going to "screw it up" and realizing that everyone has to start somewhere.

All new players have their flaws, but I've sometimes been startled by the sheer depth of the creative potential of people I thought of as 'newbies' without any particular talent for writing, such that I'm willing to look past a bit of waffling or stilted playing, on the understanding they'll get better.

On the other hand you have to know how to separate people like that from people who just aren't ready or able and will end up dragging everyone down.

Ponats wrote:smileythemask: Take this to PM, like people asked other earlier of debates. There is no point to this argument other than trying to troll chulance. Move along.

edit: chulance, to the PM as well with you!

Just a slightly off-topic (OK, way off-topic) comment on this: In PMs, people have the opportunity to get mean and nasty to each other than in a thread, because they do not have to worry about other people seeing what they write and judging them about it. If people are having a flame war in a thread, the possibility of it getting ten times worse with nobody watching is...well, it's there, at any rate. I speak somewhat from experience, so yeah.

As for new players...well, I was lucky enough to have my first RP experience on a small private forum populated entirely with people I knew in real life, so they sort of showed me the ropes. I'd say that's a very good way to learn how your fellow RPers react to your writing/character, because you can just ask them in real life, which, being that they're n00bs, is probably more comfortable for them. That ought to work with the internet in general, actually. (I had a friend who was very nice and all in real life, but for some reason became mean and snarky on the internet. It turned out she was just typing what she would have said, but the "insanely cute" factor didn't apply on the internet, so she seemed a lot meaner.)