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Politically incorrect in every way. ( )

Postby Defect by Design on Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:43 am

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Hitler. The man. The legend.
Born 1889 - Died 1945.
Taken from us too soon.
A brilliant public speaker, artists, and ballroom dancer.


Beside bring a country from the grip of crippling poverty which was killing hundreds upon thousands of Germans from starvation and poverty, (I guess that isn't good enough proof is it?) he then went on to make it not only a stable country, but a WORLD POWER in the shortest amount of time, ever.

Not only that but he invested heavily in the infrastructure along with his plans to reform Germany's economy he was responsible for funding of such operations as;
Construction of the autobahn
Construction of the vw beetle. (A cheap affordable car for all)
Construction of the berlin olympic stadium
Construction of the 1st practical rockets and cruise missiles.
Construction of the 1st jet plane.
Great Advances in trauma therapy were made.

It was Hitler who put money into research which established that smoking is linked to lung cancer (The German scientists to establish this are, Franz Muller, Eberhard Schairer, Erich Schoniger.)

It was then Nazi Germany (lead by hitler) that began one of the first campaigns to stop smoking, he got it banned on buses and trains. Refused to issue ration coupons for tobacco to pregnant women. A cracked down enforced on tobacco advertising and decreed that tobacco advertising could not portray smoking as a glamorous, masculine pastime. The Nazis specifically forbid cigarette ads that associated smoking with sports – or auto racing.

He made youth groups for children to feel needed, and like they were a part of the growing Germany, this was, beside a recruiting agency also a protection agency for the children, children victim of sexual, physical, and mental abuse via parents were of course taken into the ward of the state rather than suffering in silence.

Now lets see what this 'monster' did to the violation of human rights!
He canceled 'operation sea lion', the expedition to England- as it would result in huge loss of civilian lives
He let the Battle hardened Allied troops(about 1million) escape Dunkirk on humanitarian considerations, when he could of order the blood shed of them all

Now lets move onto that horrible invention he created, the nuclear bomb!
It was developed completely in Germany, and wasn't used why? Because Hitler couldn't bring himself to use it as it would be too devastating to the long term lives of the inhabitants of where it was dropped, plus he knew their was no way to use it without mass civilian casualty, but I guess his more of a monster than Americans who happily dropped it on both Hiroshima, Nagasaki, even after WII had ended. (also they knew the damage it would do, both after testing, and after the first drop) but of course, Hitlers the monster.

Now before I hear "Ohhhh but the Jews!"

okay, now lets weigh up all the negatives he did.
Mistreat Jews and Negroes, and was responsible for the death of a lot of allied forces.

Now let me ask you, would you consider a man who had a hatred for black people who'd lived through the raping of his family and the destruction of everything he held dear, then being thrown onto the street because of this, if this man through that black people were responsible for this, was told they were, would you blame him? Would you think 'his a inhuman monster.' or would you think 'his a misguided soul'.

Well Hitler thought it was Jews who were responsible for all the poverty that he had to face throughout life, Jews, who were rich whilst everyone starved to death, Jews who via money got the best education without a need for talent when their bank book could talk. This is what Hitler had to live through.

On to the mistreatment of Negroes, I guess that terrible because how he treated them was about 50% as bad as how native American, Africans, Indians, Aboriginals, and Asians, were treated by the respective countries in the allies. I guess it's cool that Native Americans and Aborginals, were raped, murdered, and had their land forcefully taken, and alcoholism forced into their worlds which still has problems in their respective communities today. I guess it cool that sexual atrosities were brought upon Indians, and that African were enslaved, raped, murdered, and treated like second class citizens for centuries, by the heroes of humanity (the allied forces) I bet it was nifty that Asians still have too this day birth defects from the results of a bomb that killed mainly civilians.

And finally a lot of German soldiers suffered the same fate as allied forces.
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Re: Politically incorrect in every way. ( )

Postby Tetrino on Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:41 am

It doesn't make up for his atrocious facial hair. >>
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Re: Politically incorrect in every way. ( )

Postby Mega Man on Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:53 am

And I thought this was going to be thread about our grandma's :P
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Re: Politically incorrect in every way. ( )

Postby KyojoKen on Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:00 am

Hitler was a man that had a weird stash. I agree with Tetrino on that.
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Re: Politically incorrect in every way. ( )

Postby Defect by Design on Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:21 am

It was of the time!! Completely fashionable. :P
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Re: Politically incorrect in every way. ( )

Postby Kronos on Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:48 am

Blah, the CCCP crushed them in the end.

And you left out the Gestapo and the Eugenics program from that.
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Re: Politically incorrect in every way. ( )

Postby KyojoKen on Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:08 am

It was fashionable, but uncalled for. He had done things that I think as kinda daft, to be honest. For example, he told his Jewish scientist to bugger off before they could finish their nuke research, which would have given Germany the first nuclear weapon ever.

But, still, his stash was unfashionable, even at that time.
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Re: Politically incorrect in every way. ( )

Postby Zhelir Darkfall on Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:49 am

I'm going to do this preemptively.

The guy is entirely entitled to his opinion, however unpopular it may be, and even put it in a good section for it with some foresight. This is Flame Wars, and this is where you go to get things off your chest, but keep the insults and such civil. If you don't like the opinion, don't read about it.
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Re: Politically incorrect in every way. ( )

Postby Ryand-Smith on Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:06 am

You are a Nazi apologist, and I hope you are arrested by your local police forces, if you are from Europe, or if you are in USA, placed on the FBI's watch list. Hitler proposed the systemic destruction of not only the Jewish race, he proposed wiping out the peoples of Poland, 60% of the slavic races, most of the southern Baltic peoples, for his grand glorious Nazi regieme.

Ok, so if I read this post correctly, you are a blatant Anti-Semite, who promotes falsehoods. Not every Jew has his magical supply of "JewGold" TM, and not every Jew was a benefit of the devastation of WWI. If anything, you are promoting the idea of "Since some individuals of a certain ethnic goups, its ok to kill them all, because I am a petty man!!ONE". You are attempting to whitewash the ideas of racism, by the classic "but his past was fucked up" justification. NO. There are common Ethics, which one must conform to, and because Hitler was a Christan. (Anyone who wants to pull the bullshit HITLER = PAGAN HURR shit, accuse any group, like the Catholics for co-opting roman traditions as pagans).

The first Jet Plane is bullshit, as the Soviets had the exact same idea on the drawing board, as well as the American P-59. The Ideas of Jets were not new, same as rockets, if nothing else those are war innovations. I have to laugh at the idea of tramua treatment, because that's like saying, "because millions of men die in war, we get research on superior boots." I hope to GOD you are not one of those people who believes in "collective human sacrifice on mass scales to benefit" because, to those men who died, I doubt the fact that trauma treatment was justified cause for their deaths.

I hate to pull out this factiod, but "Mussolini made the trains run on time" is no justification to what he did to Italy, bringing it into an alliance which lead to great hardship for the peoples of the Italian Pensulna.

Operation Sea Lion would not work, as the forces it would need were impossible to muster, if England was forced to recall its naval fleet, the invaders would see the might of the British (and American) Empires at work. I suspect you should go back to basic Battle Tactics, little man, because if I hear more nonsense pro Nazi wank, I will have to publish a book on these stormfront lies.

Hitler never mastered the equations, nor the launch system for an atomic weapon, no matter what the V superweapon fans will tell you. The sheer stability of an atomic missile was impossible for another 10 years, at the earliest, untill Sputnik hit the skies. Because Hitler killed off, or arrested the Jewish scientists who could master the Atomic formulas, he was limited to dirty bombs, and nuclear theory. Even the Japanese were closer to an atomic weapon, and they focused more on horrible biological warfare (Which if you go to Outer China, you can see the descendants of those sicknesses ravage the population every ten years or so.)

I would call anyone who is not up to the impossible ideals of our LORD, or who at least, cannot try to keep his hatred in his heart of hearts, an inhuman monster. He built camps for the express purpose of human extermination. HUMAN EXTERMINATION, if you can't read, is the ultimate crime against one's fellow man.

If you are a troll 10/10. If you are a stromfronter, I hope you get off the INTERNET, Hitler was a sick and disgusting insult to the human race.
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Re: Politically incorrect in every way. ( )

Postby Faux on Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:14 am

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Re: Politically incorrect in every way. ( )

Postby Irish Wolf on Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:30 am

The anger that was mustered upon reading the very first post has left me unable to post a response without every other word being a swear and all manner of insults. With this said, I simply agree with Ryand-Smith.

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Re: Politically incorrect in every way. ( )

Postby Selothi on Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:34 am

I stand by Ryand's arguments all the way. I have to object with you Zhelir that people should not be allowed to have opinions which are racist, xenophobic, and downright inhumane. The guy's saying that Hitler only did good things in his life, that he was the unlucky victim and should not be blamed for hi own actions. That's kinda getting a little bit far, very actually. The man was a monster, end of story, I'm not saying the only monster in history, but definitely not the least. So, mister "Defect by Design", go and put some black marker pen on your upper lip and shut up, racism and all that crap is against the law I will remind you, so, hmm ...
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Re: Politically incorrect in every way. ( )

Postby aellela on Sat Jun 14, 2008 11:09 am

xD

Entertaining, to say the least.

I like the cartoon and rock, paper, scissors picture best.

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Re: Politically incorrect in every way. ( )

Postby Skallagrim on Sat Jun 14, 2008 11:14 am

While the OP presents the "good" that Hitler did it cannot in anyway negate the pure horrors that happened under his reign, period, which hopefully the world will always remember as one of the most horrific periods in modern human history.

That being said I do agree with Zhel. You may not like what the OP says, and you most certainly can dispute it in a civil manner as Ryand has done, but the OP has every right to voice his opinion on the matter he presents in the forum he has posted it in.
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Re: Politically incorrect in every way. ( )

Postby Selothi on Sat Jun 14, 2008 11:23 am

Hmm, I do agree, but it seems that the promotion of an inhuman tyrant as a good guy, and thus promoting the afore-mentionned person's ideals, which are, among others, racism, xenophobia, oppression, a "higher race", and others; is wrong. Aren't these things supposed to be banned by law (I'm asking, that's all) ? If they are, they have no right to be present on a forum, or anywhere else for that matter, since it's illegal, right ?
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Re: Politically incorrect in every way. ( )

Postby Zhelir Darkfall on Sat Jun 14, 2008 11:23 am

That said, I'd also like to point out that at no point does he insult any race -- thus, this is not racist. He's defending a man that WAS racist, but there is a big difference. If you're going down that road, then kiss most of our country's early presidents goodbye.
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Re: Politically incorrect in every way. ( )

Postby Skallagrim on Sat Jun 14, 2008 11:29 am

Re-read what the OP has presented. In no way has the OP himself written any racist commentary, merely pointing out other "facts" about Hitler and his reign as the leader of the Nazi party and the "good" that Hitler's presence did.

As far as legal or illegal, there are only a few things that are considered violations by law of the First Amendment. The OP has not fallen into any of those categories in the post. Again the OP has merely stated another view of Hitler that is opposed to most peoples view of him.
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Re: Politically incorrect in every way. ( )

Postby Selothi on Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:12 pm

Damn, I knew my law argument was wrong, so screw that. Meh, he might not have been racist either, but hey, he's still talking crap about jews and formulating lame excuses that actually forgive Hitler from commiting his crimes. Anyway, I'll go crawl into a corner. [Crawls into a corner.]
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Re: Politically incorrect in every way. ( )

Postby AnoÇieregi on Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:32 pm

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