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Islam and Overpopulation

Tips: 10.50 INK Postby Aniihya on Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:17 am

I recently heard people worried about overpopulation. I told them that it isnt a problem. The problem is the fertility rate. In the West, the common people have a low fertility rate of 1.3 where a 2.11 is required to sustain the population of an ethnicity. At 1.3 children per family it is said that the problem is irreversible and a culture will die out. Compared to non-Islamic westerners, Muslims families in the West have an average of 8 children per family. I had to watch how the Muslim population in Germany rose from 200,000 in 1980 to 8 million in 2010 because of high fertility and immigration. So if anyone complains about overpopulation, complain about this topic first. It would be better if people wouldnt just complain but actually do something! The fertility rate has gone down because either Westerners dont want to raise a family anymore or because a bunch of whiny liberals complain about overpopulation. You can be liberal but you shouldnt be a hippy.
Germany has been the home for my family ever since part of it was germanized in the 17th century. Soon after the rest of the family came and wasnt germanized. Now the part with the German surname practises mostly German traditions and its fertility rate over the past 100 year has dropped from 4.5 to 2.5 (we are lucky) while the part of the family with the Levantine arab last name and pagan traditions have a fertility rate of 5. (Note my Lebanese side of the family whose surname is only a translation of my surname, is not Muslim. That part of the family also refers itself as a clan and I am an official member of it). No one sees the scheme behind this though and the liberal western public is steering towards its end, while Islam has begun its world domination.

Do not flag this because you would come in conflict with my freedom of speech. And dont come with the hate speech bs because I didnt insult anyone, I just showed a problem where either we need more children or Muslim have to have a maximum of two or three children by law like they did in China with the general population.
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Re: Islam and Overpopulation

Tips: 0.00 INK Postby Gabriel_Whist on Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:20 am

I agree that your culture dying out is sad, but the real problem I see isn't that your people aren't having enough kids, but that the Islamic people are having too many. Your culture would still be preserved even if your population dwindled, but you're being buried beneath another culture, so your decreasing population is being lost in a rising one. Thats the real issue, at least in my eyes, not just a low fertility rate.

Also, overpopulation isn't just something that whiny liberals bitch about, its a real problem. One that threatens the entire world, not just one culture, and is far more important and dangerous on a global scale than a low fertility rate.

By the way, I'm a hippy, and I'm proud of it. Its a little arrogant to tell people what they should and shouldn't be in terms of political alignment man.

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Re: Islam and Overpopulation

Tips: 0.00 INK Postby Ylanne on Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:55 am

I'm an American Christian and I see absolutely no problem with anyone choosing to have as many kids as they like - although I do raise an eyebrow at people like the Duggars (nineteen children? Really?) - regardless of religion, ethnicity, or nationality. If European Muslims want to have children, they should have children. And if European non-Muslims are choosing to have fewer children, then that is also their choice.

By the way, I'm a liberal, and I'm not a "whiner", and I'm proud of it. There is no reason to make categorical statements about anyone's ideological beliefs, regardless of whose; you never know who might be reading.
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Re: Islam and Overpopulation

Tips: 0.00 INK Postby Gabriel_Whist on Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:23 am

I agree that people should have kids, as many as they want, in an ideal world. I just feel that people (not just Muslims, but everyone) should try not to have too many kids with overpopulation as it is. We're burning through non-replenishable resources at high speeds, just because there are so many people doing the burning. They would last longer if there were less people.

Oh man, disregard this post, ambien is making my world a little unreal right now, and I'm not making as much sense as I want to. I think you get it though. Everyone can have kids, but people should try to limit themselves to maybe 2 or 3 max, no need for 8 kids a family in today's world. In times of old 8 kids meant 8 farmhands. Now 8 kids just means 8 mouths to feed, 8 more souls to burn this world's finite resources. 2 or 3 is nicer.

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Tips: 0.00 INK Postby Aniihya on Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:02 pm

Germany doesnt have the problem of overpopulation. Before the war Germany had a population of 110 million, after the war it was a mere 90 million because many emigrated to the US or Canada and millions were deported to Russia. Now the population is 83 million. So dont be telling me that Germany is overpopulated. We might have a high population density (251.5 people per sq km (83 mil divided by 330000 km²)) but overpopulation isnt a problem we have here. My political alignment is liberal (liberal in terms of human and gay rights) but patriotic. I used to be a nationalist until the nationalist parties got out of hand and went radical like 65 years ago. Here is Germany there are two kinds of nationalists: 1. The more liberal nationaldemocratic who stands for assimilation and preservation of his culture but allows a fair amount of human rights and then 2. there is the nationalsocialist (aka Nazi) who wants to ban minorities from the country and still believes in his dead dictator. I was choice number 1 until everyone started moving toward type number 2. So I dropped out of there and went to an unofficial patriotic party. It is sad to see what leftist politicians we have who allow 1800 mosques to be built in Germany over the past 40 years and they even banned the German flag to be flown at protests because it would "insult the minorities". I am for populism but not for extremism. People in cities outside of my federal state (which is the federal state with the lowest part of minorities which is 5%) are sometimes afraid to go outside without protection from the police because radical muslim Turks beat people up on a daily basis. You dont know how it is here because the USA and UK are still rather peaceful compared to Germany. Its not about political correctness anymore, its about being able to identify yourself as German without being hated.

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Re: Islam and Overpopulation

Tips: 0.00 INK Postby Gabriel_Whist on Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:23 pm

Aniihya wrote:I recently heard people worried about overpopulation. I told them that it isnt a problem.


Honestly, this is the only part of what you've been saying I have a real problem with. Whether or not you think your country is overpopulated, the world is, and it is a HUGE problem.

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Re: Islam and Overpopulation

Tips: 0.00 INK Postby Aniihya on Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:19 pm

Dude, what did I smoke back then? Looks like I was an absolute idiot eight years ago who ranted in sentences that barely made sense and were factually incorrect.

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