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No limits falacy talk

Tips: 0.00 INK Postby Ryand-Smith on Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:48 pm

Wank :

What is Wank my fellow RPers? Wank is this;

In a fleet involvement, bring in a ship equipped with some sort of a super weapon that “INSTAKILLS” your enemy ships, without context. IE the Star War movies needed the Death Star as a plot point and as a critical point of conflict

In a one on one battle Wank would be: “Uses the Matrix, on your attack!” Without context, IE, Neo in the matrix had an approve foe, Agent Smith and was not seen as a no limits fallacy

Wank is extremely closely related to the classic No-Limits Fallacy in debating fictional and non fictional weapon yields, and approximate strengths. An example of the No-Limits fallacy is this following statement

One: The Tzara bomb, the largest nuclear device ever conceived by man, Is capable of destroying the city of London in one blast

Assume Statement one is true

Two: since it is capable of destroying London, this weapon can easily destroy your entire Command and Control structure in one fell swoop!

Why is two wrong?

Two is wrong because it does not take into account your possibly distributed command structure, the fact that you have multiple command centers and other things like that.

In an RP its like this;

Me: My weapons are on your homeworld, and we are bombing your planet

Dude: Well I have super shields that cannot be broken so HA

ME then *calls on super weapon* How about them apples

Dude: Activates God Mode

Me: What?

Dude: I am invincible, So I win HA

Please don’t be that guy. Anyone want to add or comment please post.

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Tips: 0.00 INK Postby Treize Khushrenada on Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:08 pm

It's called escalation. You get infinite armor, I get a weapon that breaks through any material. You blow up my whole world with a single laser, I do the same to yours, with a bomb. This is how roleplay dies.

In addition, when a topic on the forums has been passed in the chronology of the roleplay (i.e. if the topic takes place IC in a day in early November and it's now late November), you are not allowed to go into that topic and post a new action. I assumed this was common knowledge, but apparently I was wrong.

As such, any of these posts either containing this modding or what I'll call, for lack of a better word, time-bending, have been placed In There in a topic called Pending. So long as everyone is in agreement, these posts will be deleted and the rp will progress as though none of that happened. This will not present any real problem, as the events within that topic are of no significance, if voided, to any but perhaps two characters.

I rest my case. Feel free to place your opinions.

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Tips: 0.00 INK Postby Ryand-Smith on Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:27 pm

I am happy with this. Nuke these posts away, for they are the only reason that I wrote this essay.

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Tips: 0.00 INK Postby Gabriel Faile on Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:24 pm

I agree. Gundam Gears RP style in my eyes is completely unacceptable. Though it appears that he does have some talent he needs to be taught that RPing means giving others a chance, such as the Creed dictates.

Rping is supposed to be fun for everyone, and modding is not. Like I always say, everything has a gambling analogy:
You should never have to force others to fold.

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Tips: 0.00 INK Postby Zhelir Darkfall on Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:51 pm

Awww, I was just getting ready to turn the planet into a giant monster and molest his fleet. =/
STAVE: Commala-come-ki,
There's a time to live and one to die.
With your back against the final wall
Ya gotta let the bullets fly.

RESPONSE: Commala-come-ki!
Let the bullets fly!
Don't 'ee mourn for me, my lads
When it comes my day to die.

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Tips: 0.00 INK Postby Ace Darkfire on Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:05 pm

I changed some things between the Shoutbox posts and this one, namely one serious spelling mistake about something "missing" but being called "mission", the deal with calling people dipshits was removed (frankly, it's uncalled for, I admit, because people new to roleplay would end up being classified as that when they go uber-powerful and not realizing it) and "bullshit" was changed to "garbage."
Edit-ional insert: forgot about the f-bomb too >_>.
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There's a point when people misinterpret something to get power. Gundam Wing redefined how Gundam was actually done. You know, you're invulnerable as long as your the main character, and/or outside of a point where your Gundams destruction is necessary to futher the plot. Heero Yuy standing there in the middle of a battlefield in a LEO with one missing arm and taking hits that destroyed other Leo's in a single hit, there's the cut off point. We don't need that garbage in the Roleplay on this site. If you want to use weapons from other places that are uber-powerful, you MUST and NEED to tone those weapons down, or else you completely ruin the roleplay.

Roleplays I used to be in were much like I previously posted, people see it in the show, and immediately apply it to their roleplaying, get called godmodders and all that, and dispute it with the fact they saw it in the show. The show does not and will not make a complete transition into the roleplay environment for the sake of the roleplay itself. Things need to be toned down for use in the environment. Going uber-powerful right off where you can bust out a no-limits fallacy and defeat those around you, forcing others to create a no-limits fallacy to counter yours actually ruins Roleplay, as it keeps escalating until one person stops. We aren't saying you can't have power..but you really need to tone it down from the things I have read, you're deciding to leave the roleplay because people have basically called you out on what you're using, and your only choice of action is to leave the roleplay environment, rather than adjust what you have to keep at it.

You leave, someone could actually take your place and make things more believable. All that really needs to be done here, is getting your act in gear and fixing the problems that have arised from your use of exaggerated power. Ultra-powerful stuff may work in television and movies, but it won't work in a roleplay environment for the simple fact you aren't watching it, you're ROLE PLAYING it, where things that were already uber in the tv/movie is even more so in the rp environment.

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