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Skallagrim wrote: human/elemental/weirdthingamajigger hybrid character
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kingmonkey+1 wrote:That's a different thing, Athias. Maybe I'm mistaken, but a Mary Sue is a self-insert (and yes, typically is better, faster, stronger, et cetera-er than everyone else). It's this need for self-gratification through proxy that saddens me.
A player who plays a munchkin (that's the term we used to use for D&D players who were all-powerful; you know, the guys with a Haver Sack with two Tarrasque heads, they carry both hands and eyes of Vecna... basically, unstoppable, god-killing machines with nuclear-swords, and the power to wipe entire continents off the map with a fart) is sad, sure, but it's not necessarily a self-insert. A power fantasy is not always a self-insert, though they serve many of the same needs.
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Athias wrote:kingmonkey+1 wrote:That's a different thing, Athias. Maybe I'm mistaken, but a Mary Sue is a self-insert (and yes, typically is better, faster, stronger, et cetera-er than everyone else). It's this need for self-gratification through proxy that saddens me.
A player who plays a munchkin (that's the term we used to use for D&D players who were all-powerful; you know, the guys with a Haver Sack with two Tarrasque heads, they carry both hands and eyes of Vecna... basically, unstoppable, god-killing machines with nuclear-swords, and the power to wipe entire continents off the map with a fart) is sad, sure, but it's not necessarily a self-insert. A power fantasy is not always a self-insert, though they serve many of the same needs.
I could be wrong to, but I thought that Mary-sue could also apply to scenerios where the character isn't a self-insert but aridiculously strong/perfect member of an RP. Since I don't read fanfiction, I know of the existance of that type of Mary-Sue, but I don't really encounter it.
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Tarmo wrote:Skallagrim wrote: human/elemental/weirdthingamajigger hybrid character
That included in your list, Skal?
If so, I like Riel >:3
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Zhelir Darkfall wrote:In situations where you have a considerably larger force against the power gamer, it can actually be quite fun. Almost a co-op boss battle, if you will. You have a multitude of people working together to try to bring down an all-powerful foe; it can (assuming the power gamer is at least a decent writer) turn out to be a much more enjoyable story to both participate in and read than simply seeing two equally matched opponents duke it out.
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