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Tips: 0.50 INK Postby dealing with it on Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:53 pm

Cornelius Van Til is credited with a movement that has been making rounds in Facebook debate groups. Christian presuppositionalist apologetics claims that justification for any knowledge claim requires that one first believe in the Christian God, and exclusively the Christian God.

I find this position exceedingly arrogant. I hold that true certainty is impossible, and the best we can do is recognize the limits of our knowledge. God is a mystery, a cannot-be-known, and if we need knowledge of God to have knowledge, then we all unfortunately do not have knowledge.

Where I differ from presuppositionalism is that I remain humble about my ignorance, and don’t try to feign knowledge that I cannot possibly have. I also think it’s rather arbitrary that it would be Christianity that has the ultimate truth, and presuppositionalism could be adapted to any religion, and it would still be silly.

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Re: Presuppositionalism

Tips: 0.50 INK Postby Sepokku on Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:25 pm

Makes sense to me. Why would any Islamic prophet care what you have or haven't seen, if their God is ignoring you because you arent a believer?

Greeks believe that people have one of two souls; a real soul that is made up of divinity, and a fake soul that is guided by a false God. Obviously fake people wont be able to find God, as their soul isn't divine. They lack the hardware necessary to find God. Presuppositionalism is an extension of this train of thought.

This line of thinking has existed at least as long as Plato, and it does have a fair place in our world. If one didn't believe in gravitational waves, one would never set out to find them. It's pretty commonly applied to a lot of general logic. It relates to the frequency illusion. If you don't believe in God, nothing is an act of God. If you do believe, anything can be.

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