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Tips: 0.00 INK Postby Je Suis INSANE on Sun May 28, 2006 10:20 pm

On Friday we had a student lead lesson and the student who taught that day posed a question to the class about his topic and answered it with a remark about President Bush even though his topic was not about him.

He was lecturing about the Iran-Contra scandal.

The question was "Does the President have the right to lie to the American people in order to protect them?".

He gave an example and I quote "Like President Bush lied to us about Iraq."

I am now on the search for what lie President Bush told exactly. I want to know where it was documented and when he said it.

Ex: President Bush: "I am not an alien."
Reuters. Extra terrestrial professional took a blood sample and found out the President is from Mars.

Reminder this is not a political debate I just want to know the lie. NO OPINIONS PLEASE.

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Tips: 0.00 INK Postby Svetlana_Popova on Mon May 29, 2006 12:48 am

Do a google search on Bush, Irag and Lies, and you'll get a bunch of different hits.

The biggest thing that Bush lied about, was the Weapons of Mass Destruction that Saddam was suppossedly building. Since the war started, no WMD have been found. One intersting article that I have found about all this is found here:

http://www.news.uiuc.edu/news/04/0510war.html

This is also a great link:

http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/iraq_lies.html

hope that helps

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Tips: 0.00 INK Postby Grimbold Theoman on Mon May 29, 2006 2:47 am

Those are both great examples and I know it isn't about Bush but the British PM was even worse, he wanted to shock the people and government at how dangerous Iraq could be sadly he said they had long range weapons that could be brought into effect against the UK in 15 minutes. This was a quote from I believe a PHD thesis and was not even considered hard inteligence but was included in a security service report for completence.
The point of this and the links posted by Svetlana is that the governments were fighting hard to legitimise a war that was at the best on dodgy ground with respect to international law.

PS I should warn you that I am the sort of person who points to politicians and says something like oh look a lying, cheating, conniving, self serving, self publisicst bastard, and those are only the ones I like the others are far worse and would involve far too much invective for a site like this.

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Tips: 0.00 INK Postby Je Suis INSANE on Mon May 29, 2006 7:36 am

No, that can't be 'the lie' because they did find some WMDs.

I thought this was interesting.

I had heard that we had found French Mirage Planes that were fitted with spray nozzles-
http://www.ambafrance-us.org/news/statm ... epress.asp

VX and Sarin
http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/uav-iraq.cfm
Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.

George W. Bush January 28, 2003

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Tips: 0.00 INK Postby Je Suis INSANE on Mon May 29, 2006 7:41 am

Some people from my school say that 'the President lied about why we went to war' they say our military is there to have an upper hand on the oil, and that Saddam wasn't committing genocide.

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Tips: 0.00 INK Postby Grimbold Theoman on Mon May 29, 2006 8:24 am

On the point about the oil then there is more than a little truth in that, there is little doubt that Saddam was involved with genocide, it seems that a paper trail more or less points directly to him as the source of some of the orders though not all. This is all coming out in the trial. However I feel there is little doubt that the American government is well aware of how much of a threat to the way of life that exists there an unfriendly government in control of such a large oil source. Of course that could be me being very conspiricy theorist but it does have more than a ring of truth about it, I am paying about 15% more for fuel, in my case diesel, than I was a couple of months ago because American oil companies are buying up from European supplies, or what would normally be european so that you can all have your cheap gas.
If that sounds hard on Americans it is not meant to be, just a statement of fact. In fact the truth is probably somewhere in between Saddam probably would have been manufacturing WMD's if he could have and if he hadn't got so much oil I am sure George and Tony would not have been so keen to go to war. In all probability we will never know for sure.

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Tips: 0.00 INK Postby Remæus on Mon May 29, 2006 9:19 am

Semiontopic: I can create a political debate forum, if need be... but per INSANE's request, let's keep the "debate" to a minimum.

Ontopic: The British dossier from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in London, titled "Saddam Hussein: Crimes and Human Rights Abuses" can be found on the FCO website.

Photos of the aftermath of the Halabja chemical attack can be found on the Kurdistan Regional Government's website. These images are of a very graphic nature and should not be viewed by the weak of stomach or mind. The slideshow is in the right hand column, just over halfway down the page.

Hope these links help you a bit, Amber. Even if they're not what you asked for. =)
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Tips: 0.00 INK Postby SinfulSoul on Mon May 29, 2006 3:34 pm

I remember seeing polls all day one day a little bit after 9/11 when we first started going to Iraq. Each news station was consistently reporting between 88-90% approval for the war in Iraq from the general public. If this is hard evidence or not, I doubt anyone could say, but at the time I can almost guarantee you everyone in my class was rooting for Bush by then.

The CIA was feeding the public and the president multiple reports of suspected locations in Iraq for WMDs. Simultaneously, terrorist training camp videos and pictures were released which were declared to be from Iraq and Afghanistan. All of this coupled with purchases of fighter jets from Belgium and increasing military, all of which violated sanctions placed on Iraq from Desert Storm. There were other things they violated, but I don't remember what they were. Based off of this information, Bush authorized deployment of troops in Iraq. It was at around this point that they started finding gas chambers, the various storages of poisonous gasses (don't remember exactly which ones, but I remember one time they found large stocks of three different kinds of gasses). His approval rating was still very high and was actually rising.

Then started the reports of soldier's deaths, and worse yet, they didn't find nuclear weapons or whatever that everyone was expecting to find. They did find large quantities of some materials needed to make WMDs, but that didn't appease the public. When people started to oppose the war, Bush made several speeches in which he said he was basing his decisions off of what the CIA reported to him. Since then, the CIA has admitted to submitting some incorrect reports to the President prior to, at the point of, and after the deployment in Iraq which could explain the disappointment.

Anyway, that's just from what I remember way back in the 8th-9th grade because that's all they talked about on the News.
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