The Death of the RP.

Well considering that a certain event has happened and thus has made one of our major players leave and donate everything to me (Wow, now not only am I rich son of a bitch, but I got a Gundam and a Tallgeese II), it will be extremly hard to continue things from this point.

I would like to suggest a semi-reboot of the RP. Here are my ideas. We pick up things three years later. In AC 199 there was a major war between Blace Lowe's forces, the FRE Faction (the made up faction that was RP'ed by me in L3), and the Trinity Alliance (Defenders, Caligo Umbra, and }{G), and whoever else we want to throw in there (Preventers? perhaps since they were supposed to come in play).

Now in AC 202 there is still conflict. Things haven't gotten better, there's been small skirmishes between people both on Earth and in Space. One way this would be good for an organization like the Preventers, if that's still going on, is that they've been trying to cool things off for the last three years.

The only reason I say this is it's going to be really complicated to explain why Kaden suddenly went out and got himself killed along with killing Blace Lowe (I have a few ideas that if this is decided I will elaborate more on).

I think we need to make a definite backstory, then begin anew. I have a pretty good backstory for what happened in AC 199, and am quite willing to add or work with anyone, since I really don't want this to be all me. I don't want it to seem like I'm trying to take control of everything. I just want to make a sensible backstory that can be in one big post somewhere that we set as "canon" for our RP, that everyone can build upon in a 3 years later kind of story where they can fill in the gaps however they wish. I just want to be able to RP too.

Anyway, I'm sorry if this is kind of random or rambling, I don't have everything together right now.

Here is my idea of a backstory for a "new" RP. I tried to keep it as open as possible.

This could be good because it would allow people to actually have a true reason for being a mercenary, as well as for those who want to be the types to cause trouble, to randomly cause trouble, but also with a peace treaty signed (read it all the way through to learn about it) it would allow those who wish to RP in a more peaceful setting to do that as well.

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It was in AC 199 that war returned to the Earth Sphere. After the return to arms in the form of Mobile Suits, tension grew between Earth and Space once more. As with any War, the War of AC 199 was costly. The lives of not only innocent civilians, but also of great warriors blinked out of existence. This is of course inevitable in any war, but none the less, disheartening.

The war was fought between several different factions. Many of these factions would not stay in existence long. Either they were overthrown, defeated, or consumed by other stronger Factions. However, there were three major Factions that fought the final battle that would close out the War of AC 199 in March of that year. They were the Trinity Alliance, the FRE Faction, and the Lowe Faction.

The Trinity Alliance composed of three organizations. One was the mighty }{ell’s Gundams. The }{G had existed during the wars that took place in the years of AC 195 and 196, and had fought a fierce battle against a rebel organization existing in an orbit around Mars, but soon afterwards had disbanded. When Earth had once again become a threat to the Colonies with the fact that a new Gundam being built, members of the old }{G returned one way or another. A man by the name of Sin had taken control of the team and instated it’s former members as leaders of the separate colony clusters, however this did not last. Kaden, son of the Derek the former second Leader of the }{G, went off on his own with Kiyoshi, a senior member of the }{G, and Zhelir to form the }{G separate from Sin’s control, as well as making their base of operations on MO-V.

Another was the Defenders, a rebel organization from Earth. The Defenders did not believe in the ideals that had been presented by the many Earth governments, nor did they want to risk the chance of the Colonies attacking the home that they loved. Thus, the Defenders went into space and began to start small rebel operations. Zach was one of the two leaders of the Defenders, as well as the pilot of their Gundam mobile suit, “Epiphany”. After a successful cyber-terrorism attack on the colonies, which resulted in Kiyoshi capturing one of their members on L3 Auxiliary Prime (Prior to going with teaming up with Kaden), a semi alliance was formed between Kiyoshi and the Defenders. This resulted in the L3 Defense Force, a small team led by Commander Han Richards, to eventually become part of the Defenders.

The other was an organization led by Val known as the Caligo Umbra. The Caligo Umbra primarily composed of former soldiers of the White Fang faction. Stationed on Earth, Val originally attempted to form an alliance with a man by the name of Jyotika who had quickly taken over the Asian continent. However, after certain incidents, Val shifted his allegiance from the evil Jyotika, to the Defenders and the L3 Defense Force.

These three would eventually come together to form the Trinity Alliance. Their goals were to bring peace to both Earth and Space, but with a goal of this nature, they faced heavy opposition.

The FRE Faction grew within the L3 Colony Cluster after Kiyoshi had left, giving up his leadership role over the cluster. Their new leader, Lord Raphael Winson began to influence L3 to become a strong military power, even compared to Sin’s over L1 and the majority of the colonies. The FRE Faction viewed the Earth as a sacred place that needed to be purified, which was based on the views of the FRE Foundation that had existed before it (circa AC 177-195). One of their plans was to try and succeed with a failed project that had resulted in the creation of the super soldier, Kiyoshi Kazami. However, it is unknown whether this plan was ever implemented or not.

Blace Lowe was the third major player within the last few battles of AC 199. A mysterious man who’s influence lasted long after his death. In one quick sweep, with the aide of a rebuilt/redesigned Tallgeese II, Blace Lowe quickly took over Australia. Australia was, at this time, considered part of the Asian continent, and thus under the rule of Jyotika. Jyotika had occupied the Sanc Kingdom at this time, which made him some what vulnerable on the Australian continent. Because of this, Jyotika withdrew his troops from the Sanc Kingdom, and began to prepare for an assault to reclaim his land. Blace Lowe would not be part of this assault because his death came sooner than later. Kaden, feeling a need to stop Blace, left off in the Gundam Deathscythe X. The two warriors fought to the death. This event was the first great loss in the War of AC 199. However, even without their leader, the Lowe Faction continued on with what they believed their leader would want, which would eventually come to be a superior unification of the majority of the Earth nations.

As I noted, Jyotika had planned an assault against the Lowe Faction. This Assault lasted a brutal four months. This battle, known as the Battle of the Pacific Nations, is what led to the Trinity Alliance forming. The }{G, now led by Kiyoshi, the Defenders, and the Caligo Umbra, tried to take this opportunity to kill two birds with one stone, but disaster struck in the last days of the battle. The Lowe Faction had made a deal with the FRE Faction in space. The FRE had gained large support within the colonies, and soon had control over L4. After evacuating L3 Prime, which had been damaged during an attack made by the }{G against the FRE Faction early in the war, the FRE Faction dropped the colony onto Asia. The force was estimated to be around 60,000 megatons, destroying a tenth of Asia. Jyotika then, presumably either died, or went into hiding.

With this Colony Drop from the FRE Faction and the Lowe Faction now also heading into space, the Trinity Alliance leaders (Kiyoshi, Zach, and Val), decided that their fight must also go into space. Thus, the last of the war began. The Trinity Alliance’s had few advantages. One was the fact that they had Gundam type mobile suits. Kiyoshi piloted the Gundam Cygnus X-1, Val in the Gundam Hyperion, and Zach in his Epiphany. The other was the superior skilled pilots. Commander Han Richards, even though he had suffered major injuries from a battle with Blace Lowe, eventually returned to the cockpit of a mobile suit, and with his many years of combat piloting (both as a fighter pilot and mobile suit pilot), his two Ensigns, Eota Mars and Bace Rynolds, and Zhelir, who piloted a rebuilt Mercurius, were all more than capable of handling almost any threat that was thrown at them.

The FRE and Lowe Factions however had shear numbers. The few pilots of the Trinity Alliance had problems of becoming exhausted, but they perservered. On March 17th, AC 199 the war would come to an end in one final battle. The Battle of Heaven’s Light was brought to an end thanks to the efforts of the Preventers organization.

Both sides had become several weak, and after the loss of Kiyoshi (presumed dead at this point) in the Battle of Heaven’s Light, a cease fire was signed. Soon after, the }{G would disband once again because the team had lost the Mind (Kaden) and the Heart (Kiyoshi). However, the Trinity Alliance stayed a trinity. The L3 Defense Force separated themselves from the Defenders once more, taking up residence on the Pegasus, the former warship of the }{G.

The FRE Faction had mostly let the Lowe Faction fight on the front lines. The majority of the losses belonged to the Lowe Faction, losing so many members the organization became non existence. There were only a few high ranked members of the Lowe Faction that attended the peace treaty signing. The Treaty of Paris AC 199 was signed on March 18th, one day exactly to the hour, of the last battle, between the Trinity Alliance, the FRE Faction, as well as the Preventers.

Even though this was signed, fighting has continued off and on for the last three years…

I take full responsibility for this unfortunate turn of events. I also would like to thank Kiyoshi for putting so much effort into keeping this whole thing alive. I'm willing to do what it takes to keep everything going and it's imperative that we get everyone's insight on this.

As for my own, I think a three year jump start would be good because it'll give us all a chance to develop our characters in what we want them to be, in a fine tuning sense. All of the material that we have so far will also pose as good background information that we can reveal throughout. Also in the long run, it'll be good for the animated series if the whole storyline has a solid background and basis to begin with.

Oh snap.

Man, I suck.

I'm really sorry I wasn't able to do much. I know everyone says they've been busy, but seriously guys, I really have been so swamped these days. Between training, school, work, and girlfriend, there's really no time for role-playing. I'd cut out some sleep, but I actually fell asleep at a red-light the other day and woke up with the police behind me. After I took my right turn and parked, I was informed I had been passed out there for about fifteen minutes with cars honking the whole time. And it'd be one thing if I had been drinking, but I don't drink. At all. I had just come back from a wedding and blew a .000 and passed a field sobriety test with flying colors. I could even recite the alphabet backwards!

I've just been burning myself out and I can't make time for the RPG. I can post general discussion stuff once in a while, but i don't have the time or the brain power at the moment to dedicate to a forum RPG, or even a chat RPG. Which really blows.

I had some ideas, some awesome ideas for weapons and my character that would've been awesome had I gotten them off the ground, but just before launching them, after even getting everything ready FOR launch, I dropped off the face of the interweb. If someone's willing to use them, I'd be willing to share the files I've got on these weapons and the info and such, because I'd love to see them through to fruition, but I just have no time these days.

Good luck restarting the RPG. I fully advocate any form, but promote a free-world environment embracing several different universes, not just gundam, so long as they're able to co-exist.

Teh Andy wrote:Oh snap.

Man, I suck.

[Childish antic]That's what she said! Hahah![/childish antic]

Burn. (lol)

I'm really sorry I wasn't able to do much. I know everyone says they've been busy, but seriously guys, I really have been so swamped these days. Between training, school, work, and girlfriend, there's really no time for role-playing. I'd cut out some sleep, but I actually fell asleep at a red-light the other day and woke up with the police behind me. After I took my right turn and parked, I was informed I had been passed out there for about fifteen minutes with cars honking the whole time. And it'd be one thing if I had been drinking, but I don't drink. At all. I had just come back from a wedding and blew a .000 and passed a field sobriety test with flying colors. I could even recite the alphabet backwards!

Heh, I've been getting into other things myself, but really for me, it's not just really having an interest in it at all.

As for reciting the alphabet backwards....I can barely even do that when I'm sober, let alone tipsy or flat out drunk. I'd fail it, pretty damn quickly, I might add. I'm not some little kid anymore that can take one thing one direction and suddenly jump in the other direction with it.

I've just been burning myself out and I can't make time for the RPG. I can post general discussion stuff once in a while, but i don't have the time or the brain power at the moment to dedicate to a forum RPG, or even a chat RPG. Which really blows.

I'm always burned out and can't make time for my own life. I post once in awhile, but I'm mostly just clicking things, glancing through and going somewhere else. Not quite the same thing when compared. I lose my brain power easily, it doesn't take a whole lot for me to lose it. (Actually, it comes from far too much multitasking, if I don't focus on something with 100% of my brain - thus participating in an RPG just isn't in me, because there's a high probability I'd half-ass it, if that, all the way through, because I just don't have the brain power to put into making anything good out of an RPG like this, and to be honest, I don't think I had it even in the GWC days. :\

I had some ideas, some awesome ideas for weapons and my character that would've been awesome had I gotten them off the ground, but just before launching them, after even getting everything ready FOR launch, I dropped off the face of the interweb. If someone's willing to use them, I'd be willing to share the files I've got on these weapons and the info and such, because I'd love to see them through to fruition, but I just have no time these days.

Oh, I know what it's like to drop off the Intardnet, and to be honest, for me, it's a good thing because people forget who you are, even ones that completely hate you completely forget you if you drop off for even a week or two.

Good luck restarting the RPG. I fully advocate any form, but promote a free-world environment embracing several different universes, not just gundam, so long as they're able to co-exist.

Yeah, they'll need a lot of luck to get it restarted, and I, too, support any form. Unfortunately, I do not have a lot of faith in the endeavor. Not to undermine anything going on here, I don't think it will be overly possible to jump start it, as people are, indeed, growing out of the RPG phase of their lives.

Personally, I thought I could get myself back into that particular scene that I left quite a few years ago, but upon making the attempt at doing so, I just didn't have it left at all.

On an off-topic note, for future reference, most (not all) cops will actually ask for the alphabet in reverse to see if you're drunk enough to try it. Many people (me included) can't do that shit on their best day.

To the topic at hand, I agree with Kiyoshi. I havn'et had time to read the backstory you created, but I don't doubt it's at very minimum, a decent one (I'll read it when I have a moment to.) I think a three year jump would allow things to, as you said, reboot. If there's changes we wish to make to our character, characters we want to introduce, or events we want to happen, all such things can occur in three years ("Just over a thousand days!" As 'Our Town' puts it.)

I'll also try to post a bit more if/when this happens. My problem with truency was a lack of entertainment; it gets dull when you've only got three or four people to interact with.

The primary reason I've been able to RP so much is because of the expansive free time I've had after my college classes. Next semster though, it might be a little less on Monday's and Wednesdays for the fact that not only will three classes take up most of my hours of the day, but I got a long ass night class on those days as well.

A major problem we have isn't the lack of members, no we have PLENTY of members, we just don't have enough that participate even the slightest bit. It does get rather boring, especially when your like me and just trying to have something go on you make a bajillion characters. Not to mention a lot of the people who were/are major players in the RP are busy with real life situations/problems. It's understandable, most of us are now older and dealing with having to be some what adult. It's not like years ago when all we had to worry about was trivial issues, usually pertaining to high school.

I just don't want to see this end cause I've had some fun within the last, I guess 3 months. Something around there.

On another note I am in the process of developing new mass production mobile suits. Considering that there should probably be some slight leap in mobile suit design after six years from the original GW series. If you want to send me your idea's/designs through PM that you weren't able to implement, I'd be glad to verify and see what I can do.

See, without Kiyoshi, I think this place would be dead right now. He's taken the time and the effort to see that some of the major players dropped out and has taken the steps to fix it.

And he's right, we have PLENTY of members, but exactly how many of them actually RP? I mean I think more than 50% have no posts. And now that TJ and Mia are down and out (if I understand that correctly) how many major players does that leave us with?

We need to make a way to find serious Rpers that won't give up. I've tried fliers around campus, but I don't think that worked out too well.

I'll be throwing up an overview of what Val and the rest of the Caligo Umbra have been doing soon, by Wednesday at the latest.

Mia and Lori are both in from what I understand, and we have been talking about how things would continue in a 3 year jump. TJ is definatly out, whether or not he ever comes back, who knows. It definatly won't be as Kaden or Blace Lowe considering how they died.

I don't really know how to get other serious RP'ers. My friend Yoshino, who did join, may be up for it, not sure or not. Part of his complaint was that the overall plot of the RP was very chaotic and hard to follow, outside of a few select scenarios that were going on at the time.

I think I'll do something odd and bring about a point that goes against my idea. One downfall to the three year jump is the loss of the personal interaction that was "supposed" to happen if we go with whatever backstory is chosen. Things such as personal relationships (romantic or otherwise) that may have been building between characters would have to be decided on some sort of basis.

Example. If there was some great war where Kiyoshi and Val fought together, it would have to be decided between both of us how that went. This can some what limit the ability to further free form the events that would be happening in the "present" (three years later). It would be like two people pretending that they've met years ago, when it never even happened.

So, uhg. I'll keep thinking of something. For now, I think anyone who is RP-ing, should continue to do so. When I'm more able to think of how to respond to TJ's cop out, which based on how the story of the RP was going was very random, I will do my best efforts to try and make something that has some sense to try and continue the RP for a handful of characters. If there is no Blace Lowe, and there is no Jyotika, and there is no conflict, alot of things will fall apart. This isn't to say I wouldn't mind RP-ing a semi-peaceful setting, it's just going to be hard to make sense of why this suddenly happened.

I could also start RP-ing more of the FRE Faction idea, even though I don't particularly want to. I would much rather it be someone else than just me playing every single angle. I mean if it's just primarly me doing this, whats the point of even RP-ing it out? I could just write out a fanfic or something, but that's not as fun. I guess the point I'm trying to make is there has to be some source of conflict between people, or this is going to turn into boring soap opera. If Sin is returning (I don't know since I really don't know him that well) there is a story plot behind why Kaden and the rest of the }{G broke away from Sin, which could lead to an interesting RP that never got fully of the ground.

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I'd like to thank both Zhelir and Val for their nice comments about what I've done for the RP. Anyway, I'm going to stop this post for now cause I can tell I'm rambling. Anyone who wasn't necessarrily tied to either Kaden or Blace Lowe has it easy. Since they weren't directly involved with that story arc, they don't have to worry about all of this

OH SHIT SON!

Sorry guys, even though I didn't have much to do with you guys mainly, I apologize for lacking in posts. I not only have alot of school work, but activities and have acquired a moderatorship some where else that requires me to do a few things. Its almost winter break, and Kiy if you still need help, I'll give it my all to make it damn good.

So sorry that wind is out.

Sorry, but I put in effort myself to RP, and I'm always talking to Kiyoshi about the next steps to take. And how progression is. He's not some kind of one man army.

Nor do I want to be a one man army. I'm just trying to get something where all of us can start RP-ing logically again.

As a note, I work about 60 hours a week now, but I will be able to help. And again, more notes:

- You guys are still here, and are the core on which we will build any real community from
- GundamWing.com didn't have a storyline at all: People made everything up as they went along

And more in concept:

- Freeform RP
- All 'understood' guidelines written to give consistency

Well pretty much we have been just making it up as we go along. Just now we got a gigantic gap to deal with.

OKay so let me get this straight, I've been gone for two weeks and it died? I mean seriously! I don't have the internet at home anymore so I will be doing the best I can at school, but wow. Do we have no where to go from the death of these two? }{G still lives, I'm alive Sigma Phi is alive, the Defenders and the Preventers are alive. I think it is time for a super power to raise from these ashes and give us something to fight, something to do for christ sakes. I mean, automatically because Kaden and Blace are gone we stop the RP? Sure we're all busy, but most of us can find time to get in a few words here and there, I'm one of them, Kyoshi's one of them, Meia and of course Karaudu. Plus every other memeber that has replied to this forum. I realize some threads have kept going, but let's step this up. Seriously.

But if everyone votes for it Kyoshi's idea will work too.

In light of recent arguements, I propose a full-out reboot. All attatchments, cash, etc. are gone. I think this'll give everyone a chance to start anew, now that we're all used to the atmosphere of the place, and all that jazz.

In short, a Pwipe. =P.

The only possible super power that could be a potential threat would either be Sin, if he's coming back, or the FRE Faction that has been used for the majority of either Kiyoshi's backstory or how/why Kaden got his Gundam. Another would be Jyotika but I think he's long gone, unfortunatly.

I really don't want a full reboot. For one, I know Val and I have put forth alot of effort to save up so we could get into the positions we would like to have our characters. That's part of the reason why I've tried to have so much depth for my characters. A full reboot would make all of those efforts pointless.

Secondly, I rather have enjoyed what we have all built thus far, and don't want to see it just completly thrown away. Furthermore, chances are most of the relationships/attachments that have been built would most likely fall into a near similar pattern as before. Just with out certain characters. Examples would be anything to deal with TJ's characters, the whole Jyotika plot that fell apart, even the whole beginning with Milliardo.

My proposed "reboot" would allow us to keep everything we have now while also starting off in a newer setting. Looking at the OZ topic, I could see former OZ members coming together after 6 or 7 years, depending on if they transfered over to Meremeia or not, relativly unnoticed, especially if everyone was focused more on a threat that had no connection to OZ (other than say using the Mobile Suit Designs that htey had made in the original wars). This would give them their opprotunity to start causing whatever trouble they want.

Then a compromise? (Just throwing suggestions out, here.)

The story is torn down, but cash/items remain in posession?

That, or advance the story more than three years. 10 or 20 years, I'd say.

The reason I'm in favor of one of these two is that this, like so many large-scale RPGs, got off to a rough start. Starting anew allows for multiple things.

+ Those who didn't have a particularly strong grasp on the concepts of Gundam Wing in the beginning will now be more able to make a suitable character.

+ It gives newcomers a chance to catch up to the oldies, allowing for a larger base of active players. I can't tell you how many MUDs (Multi-User Dungeons. Hard to explain, think of an MMORPG, but text-based and free) I've been turned off by because the older players stand over all the others, having the skills, money, and equipment to keep down (intentionally or not) the newer players that might rise to power. However, if it's strongly felt that it SHOULD be this way (and I've got no real complaints either way,) the latter of the two options could be used.

+ Then ten/twenty-year-advancement allows to keep the legacies of charatcers as part of the RPG's history, though I myself intend to retire Zhelir (or at least move him out of any kind of spotlight) if either option occurs, and stick to my other character.

+ Finally, and probably most obvious, if anyone has had a change of heart about where their character would best fit into the story, it allows for such a thing to happen (though this can work for the three year span, as well, unless one wishes to modify a character's backstory.)

Well a ten or twenty year jump would work, though I wouldn't want to RP a thirty or fourty year old Kiyoshi.

With that much of a jump we'd have to pretty much full redesign mobile suits, think of new advanced technology, and pretty much make up a whole new Gundam series completly separate from GW in the first place.

About the situations for possible new players. Starting out in an RP sucks most of the time, especially when it's one that's an MMO. With that said, I do think there needs to be a new system in place for beginners. Starting off with a million used to mean you could buy a common mass production Mobile Suit (in GW's case the Leo), which in the GW universe means it's typically a coffin with arms and legs. Plus a lot of people just don't want to be in a Leo. I mean if this was a UC Gundam universe it wouldn't matter too much. If you were in a GM or Zaku it would be more based on how well you were as a pilot, not the suit. In GW, it's not like that.

Now one solution I have to that is creating new mobile suits that are on a fairly good level. I calculated what the base unit would be and it was I think just over 1,500,000 credits. We could have it that when you sign up, instead of having to wait until you have enough to buy a suit, you get to choose between 3-5 different mass production mobile suit designs. They won't be the best, but they'll be better than say a Leo or Taurus.

Those of us who have been around longer are always going to be typically better equipped than someone new. That's a fact that you can't avoid. People need to understand that on both sides.

Well I added a poll...though I thought I had the first option of complete restart. Oh well, can't edit it now. If you want to use that option just say so in a post.