Cancer Cells Dead?

Unknown_Soul · **Tips:** 0.00 INK by **Unknown_Soul** on Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:56 pm

I just read about this and it is amazeing! Does anyone else here think that this will even work with the human body? I mean microscopic metal disks to vibrate and burst open the cells. My question is although it is still in the first stages of testing did they leave the equiment that they were stationed in for more then 1 hour after the effect. Is it possibal that after the cancer cells burst that they would either 1) form into another type of cancer or 2) grow stronger or 3) just die?

Heres the link check it out: http://news.aol.com/health/article/tiny-magnetic-discs-dould-kill-cancer/791000?icid=main|hp-desktop|dl3|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Fhealth%2Farticle%2Ftiny-magnetic-discs-dould-kill-cancer%2F791000

Rooster · **Tips:** 0.00 INK by **Rooster** on Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:48 pm

I think that bursting the cells may not be a great idea. Wouldnt that just spread the cancer? By popping the cell and letting it's inner workings shoot into anything nearby, couldnt the cells mutate something else?

Unknown_Soul · **Tips:** 0.00 INK by **Unknown_Soul** on Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:57 pm

You see that is what I am thinking but then again you do have to remember that cancer cells are indeed CELLS so I gues sif a single cell poped it wont spread for it is not multipal cells. But hey I dont know.

Mogtaki · **Tips:** 0.00 INK by **Mogtaki** on Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:47 am

If you want to kill a cancer cell, this is what you do.

Boil honey, put in a decent portion of Bicarbonate of Soda into the mixture. Make sure the mixture is still sweet and then place it on a tray to cool. Break up the mixture when it is hard and eat it.

Bicarbonate of Soda is the main ingredient in Chemotherapy. The way that this method works is that the cancer cells are attracted to sugar to grow. The sugar in the honey will cause the cells to consume the sweet but unknowingly consuming the bicarbonate; it will kill the cancer cells.

The wonders of Bicarbonate in cancer treatment.

Who needs all this technology when you have the cure sitting in your cupboard?

NorthernSoul · **Tips:** 0.00 INK by **NorthernSoul** on Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:52 am

Mogtaki wrote:If you want to kill a cancer cell, this is what you do.

Boil honey, put in a decent portion of Bicarbonate of Soda into the mixture. Make sure the mixture is still sweet and then place it on a tray to cool. Break up the mixture when it is hard and eat it.

Bicarbonate of Soda is the main ingredient in Chemotherapy. The way that this method works is that the cancer cells are attracted to sugar to grow. The sugar in the honey will cause the cells to consume the sweet but unknowingly consuming the bicarbonate; it will kill the cancer cells.

The wonders of Bicarbonate in cancer treatment.

Who needs all this technology when you have the cure sitting in your cupboard?

Lol.

Also, cancer cells dying does not spread cancer.

Anyway, this sounds interesting but it will be difficult to find a cancer-specific receptor that would allow uptake of these disks. I'd be surprised if resistance didn't arise pretty quickly afterwards too...

Mogtaki · **Tips:** 0.00 INK by **Mogtaki** on Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:16 pm

You did take in that I said bicarbonate is the main ingredient in Chemotherapy, right? The cells aren't special in any way like bacteria and don't gain that resistance that a virus may get. Chemotherapy is a process of killing off the cells by injecting the body with a cocktail of poison and this bicarbonate.

I didn't say the cancer cells dying spreads cancer; I know my biology. These cells are simply cells that are of uncontrolled growth and invade the body usually through the bloodstream. It is a genetic disease with a bunch of catalysts but it does not become immune to a chemical such as bicarbonate; catalysts result in the cells mutating rather than being genetic.

You can ask the people who specialise in chemotherapy that this bicarbonate is a main base ingredient along with all those antibiotics and other things that are typically poisonous to cells.

NorthernSoul · **Tips:** 0.00 INK by **NorthernSoul** on Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:27 pm

I know my biology.

Clearly not... I'm a medical student and literally every single thing that you just said is complete and utter nonsense.

Mogtaki · **Tips:** 0.00 INK by **Mogtaki** on Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:06 am

Because that is what you were taught, wasn't it?

If you want to learn more about such treatments then I don't care, go do that, but I'm not forcing you; I simply go by what was used and researched by my friend who lost her leg to cancer, seeing as how she was told such things by her nurses, doctors and self-care advisors.

NorthernSoul · **Tips:** 0.00 INK by **NorthernSoul** on Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:07 am

Mogtaki wrote:Because that is what you were taught, wasn't it?

If you want to learn more about such treatments then I don't care, go do that, but I'm not forcing you; I simply go by what was used and researched by my friend who lost her leg to cancer, seeing as how she was told such things by her nurses, doctors and self-care advisors.

I see. So several hundred years of medical research and clinical data performed by thousands of people around the world is bollocks, is it? Would you like me to break this down for you?

You did take in that I said bicarbonate is the main ingredient in Chemotherapy, right?

You realise that bicarbonate is found in your blood, right? And in every single cell in your body? Broadly speaking, it is part of the chemical seesaw in your plasma, intra/extracellular fluid that regulates the acidity of these compartments. It is certainly not 'the main ingredient' in chemotherapy. That makes literally no sense to anyone who knows even basic human biology. There are dozens of different class of chemotherapy for the treatment of cancer and hundreds of different molecules within each class.

The cells aren't special in any way like bacteria and don't gain that resistance that a virus may get.

'Special' in what way? Cancer cells are certainly radically different in their differentiation status, genomic stability, proliferative capability and gene expression to normal somatic cells. It's these aspects that chemotherapy targets. Otherwise it would be unacceptably toxic to every other cell in your body.

And drug resistant cancer is extremely common and may either be intrinsic or acquired. Cancers are characterised by high mutation rates. If one cell in your tumour acquires resistance to a particular drug (for example, by reduced expression of a targeted receptor on its surface) then, even if you kill all the other cells, that cell can multiply and, ta da, drug resistant tumour.

Chemotherapy is a process of killing off the cells by injecting the body with a cocktail of poison and this bicarbonate.

No, it's not. See above.

You can ask the people who specialise in chemotherapy that this bicarbonate is a main base ingredient along with all those antibiotics and other things that are typically poisonous to cells.

What? Are you saying that the active ingredient of chemotherapy is in antibiotics as well? Then why the hell do antibiotics selectively kill bacteria and not your own cells? Antibiotics are a completely different type of drug.

That website you linked to is laughable. That 'Doctor' thinks that cancer is a fungus and that vaginal yeast infections give you tumours. He's been stripped of his medical licence in Italy and has been convicted of three counts of manslaughter and fraud. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php? ... ost3847028

Your friend was very unlucky and I'm sorry about what she had to go through. But she'd be a damn sight worse (read, dead) if she hadn't adhered to conventional, scientifically proven therapies. Please don't let people like this nutjob fool you. He's after your money and he's prepared to sacrifice people's lives to do it.

WingBlade · **Tips:** 0.00 INK by **WingBlade** on Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:21 pm

Aren't the antibiotics there to help bolster the immune response due the negative impact on it by chemotherapy? Honestly, I think the metal disk thing is cool. Instead of using a traditional medicene, they started to employ tech to beat it. My question I guess is how can the cells gain immune response to basically being torn apart from the inside. But I have a gripe, how much is it gonna' cost? The thing about cures is, that if no one can afford them, they don't do much good do they? Using microcrips that are gonna cost hella loads of money. Anyone else curious about how this is just coming out after the whole congressional medical plan option. That medicene is seeming to skip away from drug companies and go to engineering. Need another angle to take your buck, eh? Maybe I'm just cynical but it seems very "coincidental" to me. :p

Teh Wing

"Can I have a lighter?" "Sure, I guess you can...you're what now....26?" :p

Kronos · **Tips:** 0.00 INK by **Kronos** on Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:05 pm

It's actually a good idea. It really is.

The basic concept is really simple. It's like a sandblaster on a microscopic cell. I can imagine the process being painful and rather indiscriminate, but if a MAJORITY of the disks are portioned inside the tumor it should work. A few cells bursting here and there won't harm anyone.

Rooster and Unknown_Soul, causing a cell to break apart won't cause it to proliferate. It'll simple dissolve into various coordinating parts and become entirely harmless. That's like worrying about sulfuric acid that's been broken down into hydrogen and sulfur being corrosive. The cells can't replicate without a whole.

WingBlade, you're probably right in that this won't be feasible for a long time, but the concept seems sound and it has potential.

WingBlade · **Tips:** 0.00 INK by **WingBlade** on Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:56 pm

I don't know if breaking it is a precise term for it. Because if you're breaking down just the cell, it would in turn rupture sending cancerous cell into the bloodstream. But if you're breaking the molecular bond that holds the cancer cell together, I think we would already be able to nutrilize cancer completely. If high frequency will tear it up, that doesn't mean that the cancer can't metastosize. I believe that's the word I want to use. You are going to have major injections just to get this stuff in. Another thing, what if they screw up. That's something that machines do, right? Couldn't this end up doing more damage to an already weakened state of being. In other words, to do this you'd have to do it over time. Destroying one sighting of cancer doesn't mean it won't come back. I await comment on this insight.

Teh Wing

"Only stupid people don't ask questions. So never tell someone they're stupid for asking you something." - Wrap your brain around this one. <Cough> Common sense <Cough>

Nyxeth · **Tips:** 0.00 INK by **Nyxeth** on Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:12 pm

Interesting... also I think thats the first (or few

) GWC Vet(s) to post on these forums in what... half a year?

WingBlade · **Tips:** 0.00 INK by **WingBlade** on Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:38 pm

Alvaron wrote:Interesting... also I think thats the first (or few ) GWC Vet(s) to post on these forums in what... half a year?

Dude, if that is true it just saddens me. Most of the GWC Vets should be in their mid twenties like I am. So sad that no one shows interest in this forum, from that group of people. Although, I'm one of those kinds of guys who sticks his nose everywhere he shouldn't. Guess it's why I'm not a favorite of some people.

Teh Wing

"When trying to accomplish something change your tactics... Quit trying and just do it." - I hope Nike doesn't sue me for trademark infringement...

Unknown_Soul · **Tips:** 0.00 INK by **Unknown_Soul** on Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:15 pm

Well I dont know anyone here save for Rooster. So to be honest I dident know what the diff color names were till h etold me. It is very strange. >_> So how many mods / mentors / GWC veteran is there anyway on this site?

Kronos · **Tips:** 0.00 INK by **Kronos** on Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:21 pm

You veterans make me feel young-er in comparison.

WingBlade, study up on your biology. Rupturing a human cell won't cause it to replicate and spread to other cells. Cancer cells, are, by their very nature, just human cells with the immortality mutation. They've gotten around the biological janitor of sorts.

Secondly, if we're advanced enough to use carrier enzymes to move these disks to the cancer site, I'm sure we can make up some kind of retrieval "enzymes." Even then, they should be filtered out in due time. I figure that a scant few metal disks would cause nothing more than a few pinpricks if they got stuck. The levels injected in your cancer cells would have to be supersaturated.

WingBlade · **Tips:** 0.00 INK by **WingBlade** on Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:52 pm

WingBlade wrote:I don't know if breaking it is a precise term for it. Because if you're breaking down just the cell, it would in turn rupture sending cancerous cell into the bloodstream. But if you're breaking the molecular bond that holds the cancer cell together, I think we would already be able to nutrilize cancer completely.

Hyperion wrote:You veterans make me feel young-er in comparison.

WingBlade, study up on your biology. Rupturing a human cell won't cause it to replicate and spread to other cells. Cancer cells, are, by their very nature, just human cells with the immortality mutation. They've gotten around the biological janitor of sorts.

I think you misunderstood me. I meant that tearing up the tumor doesn't nutrilize the cancer. That it could possibly travel through the bloodstream and start growing again somewhere else. That was also more of a question than a statement.

I hated biology, and don't go thinking I'm old...

Teh Wing

"I'm hunting wabbits! Huh, huh, huh."

Kronos · **Tips:** 0.00 INK by **Kronos** on Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:53 pm

Ah, gotcha. I was assuming your line of thinking was "cells spill contents, contents replicate without natural modus operandi."

I could see that happening. Hopefully a good dose of targeted chemical agent should take of those cells before could metastasize. Although, if some of those cells find themselves disconnected from the main body, and their food source, they might just die anyways.

LeeHitsugaya · **Tips:** 0.00 INK by **LeeHitsugaya** on Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:05 pm

This sounds exceptionally promising. Hate to sound selfish but I wish they had this 15 years ago when I had cancer, maybe I wouldn't be stuck in this wheelchair. I'm not sure about the whole bi-carbonate debate, I'd have to talk to my Oncologist about it, she's an amazing woman and if it wasn't for her I'd be 6 feet under right now. The idea of inflicting physical damage on a single cell with brute force is so amazing to me. My question is though, lets say you have cancer of the lung. You get these injections and a few saws (for lack of a better term) miss? Wouldn't that perforate the lung membrane pretty quick and start internal hemorrhaging? I know that it can be controlled with a chest tube (which I've had) and a bit of surgery, but the entire premise of "injecting yourself with chainsaws" seems a bit scary. Though I may just be over-reacting.

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