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Massacre wrote:The subject at hand is primarily Barack Obama supporting partial birth abortion. That is a fully formed, baby, with all it's appendages and brain intact and functional. That is why Barack Obama cannot become pregnant.
ThatsNotPoetry wrote:Abortion removes a fetus that doesn't even know what death is. A fetus in the womb has not experienced life beyond the womb. It won't know sadness for its death. In an even simpler light, I hate it when people use the argument "What if YOU had been aborted, huh? HUH?" Guess what. If I was aborted, I wouldn't know it, because I wouldn't be here and therefore couldn't know pain or sadness for it.
[...] As Athias was already kind enough to point out, no one's forcing anyone to have abortions. If you don't like abortions, don't have one.
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(12:17:45) RoxYRosE: And you did. Crim is not a liar... ask her if I said what you said I said. I bet she says what I think she'll say.
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Cloaked_Schemer wrote:I agree that Obama should not be elected for President because of this very reason. [...]
I believe that abortion shouldn't be illegalized, but that women should just oversee their other options and hopefully make the right choice.
ThatsNotPoetry wrote:Now, to base the 4-year-fate of an entire nation--which survives on innumerable policies and laws and cultures--on a single issue which can ultimately be decided on an individual basis by the individual... I personally just don't think that's a wise way to vote.
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ThatsNotPoetry wrote:So you hate him for wanting to let women keep their rights and keep it legal, while simultaneously believing that it should indeed be kept legal. ...That really, really makes me sad. And possibly confused.
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Cloaked_Schemer wrote:ThatsNotPoetry wrote:So you hate him for wanting to let women keep their rights and keep it legal, while simultaneously believing that it should indeed be kept legal. ...That really, really makes me sad. And possibly confused.
No. I only said regular abortion should be kept legal, when it is done about 4-8 or so weeks into the pregnancy. Even though I don't agree with it, that should be a woman's choice regardless.
However, partial birth abortions should not be legal due to the fact that the fetus is quite a bit more developed than it would be if it were 4-8 weeks in.
And, I know that he isn't telling women to have abortions, nor did I say he was. Just the fact that he wants it to be legal is enough to dissuade me from voting for him.
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On September 20, 1996, the Pentagon released seven training manuals prepared by the U.S. military and used between 1987 and 1991 in Latin America and in intelligence training courses at the U.S. School of the Americas (SOA). The manuals were based in part on lesson plans used by the school as far back as 1982 and, in turn, based in part on older material from Project X.[2] According to Lisa Haugaard of School of the Americas Watch, these manuals taught repressive techniques and promoted the violation of human rights throughout Latin America and around the globe.[12] The manuals contain instructions in motivation by fear, bounties for enemy dead, false imprisonment, torture, execution, and kidnapping a target's family members. Joseph Kennedy said "These manuals taught tactics that come right out of a Soviet gulag and have no place in civilized society." The Pentagon admitted that these manuals were a "mistake
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Barack Obama wrote:On an issue like partial birth abortion, I strongly believe that the state can properly restrict late-term abortions. I have said so repeatedly. All I've said is we should have a provision to protect the health of the mother, and many of the bills that came before me didn't have that.
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ACLU wrote:Habeas corpus isn't a fancy legal term. It's the freedom from being thrown in prison illegally, with no help and no end in sight. No president should ever be given the power to call someone an enemy, wave his hand, and lock them away indefinitely. The Founders made the president subject to the rule of law. They rejected dungeons and chose due process.
We all know the difference between fairness and persecution. If we do not act immediately to fix the Military Commissions Act and restore our constitutional rights, basic protections like habeas corpus could be lost forever, and our country would become unrecognizable.
The MCA eliminates the constitutional due process right of habeas corpus for detainees at Guantánamo Bay and elsewhere. It allows our government to continue to hold hundreds of prisoners for more than five years without charges.
It also gives any president the power to declare — on his or her own — who is an enemy combatant, decide who should be held indefinitely without being charged with a crime and define what is — and what is not — torture and abuse.
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War is war, get over it. People die, sometimes in horrific ways. Do you think our troops, your neighbors and family, should have stood by and let the "civilians" do as they please while torturing and beheading our brothers?
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Ryand-Smith wrote:My Family is more American than yours then, as we came before yours, by force..
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