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Skallagrim wrote:On that note...I will remind everyone to keep the debate civil and on topic. Aerial has brought up a good point, why are you not discussing the pros/cons of the central premise of religions, the way each looks at how to live a life? Not the deities or if one exists or not, but the actual structure of religions, their foundational points and what makes each foundational believe different from the others?
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Aerial wrote:Really? Because I think you just want to discuss whether or not a God exists. Here, I'll lay out the whole argument so we can just skip it all:
Person A: "I believe there is no God"
Person B: "I believe there is"
Person A: "But look at all the evidence that points against the existence of a creator"
Person B: "You know, I can really can try to refute what you say and argue about it, but I'm just going to give it to you straight. I don't care what evidence you have, I will still believe. If I have enough faith to believe in a Omnipotent being that doesn't need a cause and created absolutely everything, do you honestly think anything you can say will sway me?"
Person A: "I guess not. Its really no big deal as no one will 100% know until we die. So when you think about it, no one should really give a shit what anyone believes. Wanna go eat tacos?"
Person B: "Sure"
Oh, if only all of these arguments ended with tacos, the world would be a far more pleasant place.
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Aerial wrote:Why do people make threads like this, and why do people even give a shit? Personally, I'm an atheist. I genuinely tried to believe, and I genuinely cannot believe. But, being an atheist is only about 10% of who I am, maybe even less. I'm sure most people here don't define themselves as theists, and I'm sure most don't practice daily rituals that have to do with their beliefs. The biggest problems with threads like this, is that they aren't even actually about the institution of religion, as much as they are about the belief systems. I'm not the biggest fan of religion, Christopher Hitchens being one of my favorite authors on the subject, but I couldn't care less about the beliefs themselves. Who cares if there is an intelligent and omnipotent creator? Who cares if there isn't? If there is, its most likely not any of the deities humans follow. If there isn't, still who cares. While I do find religion to be poisonous, I don't have a problem with the beliefs themselves. If this was actually a religion thread and not a thread pertaining to origins, we might actually have a genuine discussion.
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Sammich wrote:Aerial wrote:Why do people make threads like this, and why do people even give a shit? Personally, I'm an atheist. I genuinely tried to believe, and I genuinely cannot believe. But, being an atheist is only about 10% of who I am, maybe even less. I'm sure most people here don't define themselves as theists, and I'm sure most don't practice daily rituals that have to do with their beliefs. The biggest problems with threads like this, is that they aren't even actually about the institution of religion, as much as they are about the belief systems. I'm not the biggest fan of religion, Christopher Hitchens being one of my favorite authors on the subject, but I couldn't care less about the beliefs themselves. Who cares if there is an intelligent and omnipotent creator? Who cares if there isn't? If there is, its most likely not any of the deities humans follow. If there isn't, still who cares. While I do find religion to be poisonous, I don't have a problem with the beliefs themselves. If this was actually a religion thread and not a thread pertaining to origins, we might actually have a genuine discussion.
Because unquestioning belief in religion can lead to things like, say, for example, 9/11.
You can believe whatever you want and I don't have a problem with it, but when those beliefs start to cause harm, I do. The kind of mentality that we shouldn't talk about these sorts of things and question others' beliefs is a dangerous one.
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I like Thor.
He has a hammer. And likes to kill stuff.
What else could you want in a deity?
I am a pagan. But with traditions I am more of an Alevi. I do not celebrate Christmas but therefore celebrate Nicholas day. I dont believe in Christ but therefore in El/Hak (two different languages first one is Assyrian, second is Turkish) and many under/demigods.
Why do you believe in those gods? What proof do you have of their existence?
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Skallagrim wrote:On that note...I will remind everyone to keep the debate civil and on topic. Aerial has brought up a good point, why are you not discussing the pros/cons of the central premise of religions, the way each looks at how to live a life? Not the deities or if one exists or not, but the actual structure of religions, their foundational points and what makes each foundational believe different from the others?
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organizedchaos wrote:I would like to toss my name into the hat.
I am not atheist, though I do not believe in God. I believe that something had to have started the science that everyone seems to view as the antithesis of religion. Why can there not be both? Can they not be two sides of the same coin? Consider this for a moment:
Someone who has faith believes that something is real, without proof.
Someone who relies solely on scientific discovery believes because logic has proven their beliefs to be true.
Has anyone discovered where I'm going with this? I simply would like to point out that, regardless of whether the belief is fact or fiction, they both believe in something.
And I think the power of the imagination is the most divine power of all.
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Aniihya wrote:Village Alchemist: Who cares if deities exist or not? That kind of discussion is a time wasting and pointless as discussing what the exact number to Pi is with its infinite decimals.
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End of Reality wrote:To your point about two sides to the same coin: actually, yes, they are two sides to the same coin, but science still is the antithesis of religion, at least in my opinion. Religion requires you to take something on faith. Science learns things through empirical evidence, logic, etc. Scientists can still be religious, but I think they should acknowledge the stark contrast between science and religion.
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